Religious debate (split from main board)

#353
#353
BeecherVol said:
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Just so you know I wasn't trying to be nasty, I will attempt to share what I was thinking:

Why is it that without a cultural experience with a particular faith (in this case Christianity), a person can never come to that religion? In other words, if there is only one way to God, and everyone is given a choice, why isn't that one way independently "reinvented" by people in different parts of the world, without having been exposed to Christianity before? It seems like that should happen, if there is only one way to salvation, and it's through God, and we've all been given a choice.
 
#354
#354
IPorange said:
That's very convenient, isn't it? You give someone like me grief for only being able to answer several hundred of a thousand steps to evolution and the origins of life, but your own thoughts on the subject have one step, and the answer to it is basically "just because."
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IP, that is just it, it IS that simple. I feel sorry for you that you need "proof" to believe.
 
#356
#356
IPorange said:
Just so you know I wasn't trying to be nasty, I will attempt to share what I was thinking:

Why is it that without a cultural experience with a particular faith (in this case Christianity), a person can never come to that religion? In other words, if there is only one way to God, and everyone is given a choice, why isn't that one way independently "reinvented" by people in different parts of the world, without having been exposed to Christianity before? It seems like that should happen, if there is only one way to salvation, and it's through God, and we've all been given a choice.
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You need for "answers" is blinding you to the FREE gift of salvation. I was the same way for 35 years. I thought that I had to earn it.
 
#357
#357
IPorange said:
That's very convenient, isn't it? You give someone like me grief for only being able to answer several hundred of a thousand steps to evolution and the origins of life, but your own thoughts on the subject have one step, and the answer to it is basically "just because."
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Where you lost credibility in the discussion, was when you said, if something about creation, could not be explained it made the whole story false.

But then later, you said that evolution could not be fully explained ( I.E. life, to name 1), but should be accepted as truth.
 
#359
#359
BeecherVol said:
Where you lost credibility in the discussion, was when you said, if something about creation, could not be explained it made the whole story false.

But then later, you said that evolution could not be fully explained ( I.E. life, to name 1), but should be accepted as truth.
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It's two different systems. One is divine and explanation is a mystery we will never know in this world, the other is a system where more is being learned all the time. Not knowing something NOW doesn't it can't ever be known. We've come a long way in the last 100 years, alone.
 
#360
#360
vollygirl said:
I can tell you for a fact that God was beside me in church this morning. Circumstances don't matter. But an answer came that our church was struggling with and there is no doubt what so ever in my mind that it was God. Glorious, GLORIOUS day for me!!!!

Now, I'm sure I can't convince you to believe me. All I can tell you is that it happened. Believing is your choice.
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God Is Good!
 
#361
#361
IPorange said:
Just so you know I wasn't trying to be nasty, I will attempt to share what I was thinking:

Why is it that without a cultural experience with a particular faith (in this case Christianity), a person can never come to that religion? In other words, if there is only one way to God, and everyone is given a choice, why isn't that one way independently "reinvented" by people in different parts of the world, without having been exposed to Christianity before? It seems like that should happen, if there is only one way to salvation, and it's through God, and we've all been given a choice.
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That is the purpose of the "Great Commission" in the Bible.

We are told, as christians, to spread the gospel to all corners of the earth. That is what we are called to do. Jesus Christ even said, that believers would be persecuted and mocked, for his name.

Christians do not have the power to save, only to bring the word to non believers. Some will believe, others will not.
 
#362
#362
T-TownVol said:
You need for "answers" is blinding you to the FREE gift of salvation. I was the same way for 35 years. I thought that I had to earn it.
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I don't think there is anything to earn.

I was raised in a Christian home, going to church every Sunday morning, night and Wednesday night. I was really into it as a kid. I always felt funny about it though, because no matter how good I was, how much I prayed, and how much I studied the Bible, I never had any sort of spiritual experience even as others around me would talk about them. Even when they would write me into theirs. As I got older, I realized it was all in people's heads.

My mother is still very religious, and it upsets her that my older sister and I have completely left the church. It bothers me that I cause her pain, and I have no problem with people who choose to spend their time and energy on religion. It isn't real though.
 
#363
#363
BeecherVol said:
That is the purpose of the "Great Commission" in the Bible.

We are told, as christians, to spread the gospel to all corners of the earth. That is what we are called to do. Jesus Christ even said, that believers would be persecuted and mocked, for his name.

Christians do not have the power to save, only to bring the word to non believers. Some will believe, others will not.
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So what about the people that weren't and won't be reached?
 
#364
#364
IPorange said:
I don't think there is anything to earn.

I was raised in a Christian home, going to church every Sunday morning, night and Wednesday night. I was really into it as a kid. I always felt funny about it though, because no matter how good I was, how much I prayed, and how much I studied the Bible, I never had any sort of spiritual experience even as others around me would talk about them. Even when they would write me into theirs. As I got older, I realized it was all in people's heads.

My mother is still very religious, and it upsets her that my older sister and I have completely left the church. It bothers me that I cause her pain, and I have no problem with people who choose to spend their time and energy on religion. It isn't real though.
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This will sound harsh, but I am telling you what the Bible says, not me. God tells us that Not all men will believe. All we can do, as Christians, is to sow the seed. What you do with that seed is between you and God.
I pray that you will open your heart again to the word of God. Not for your mother, but for your self.
 
#365
#365
IPorange said:
So what about the people that weren't and won't be reached?
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The Bible tells us that every man will "know" God. No one has an excuse.
We can only try our best to reach every person with the gospel. But, make no mistake, EVERY person will stand in judgement one day.
 
#367
#367
IPorange said:
What kind of loving God sets up a system where he knows many will fail, and burn in hell?
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The God that loves us enough to let us make up our own minds.
It is God's will that all be saved. He also tells us that not all will.
 
#368
#368
God speaks of the "faith of a child" as to following him. This world does not accept that. Most people need tangible eveidence. God will not provide that evidence. That would take out the "Choice" that we have to make.
 
#369
#369
He is supposed to be omniscient and omnipotent. The Bible tells us that nothing happens without his will.
 
#370
#370
T-TownVol said:
God speaks of the "faith of a child" as to following him. This world does not accept that. Most people need tangible eveidence. God will not provide that evidence. That would take out the "Choice" that we have to make.
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That's not a choice. Not by any stretch of the imagination.
 
#371
#371
IPorange said:
He is supposed to be omniscient and omnipotent. The Bible tells us that nothing happens without his will.
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Yes....and?

I nor anyone else can give you the answer as to how or why God does what he does. "His ways are different from our ways". He tells us that we can not understand him and for us not to try, just believe and have faith.
 
#372
#372
IPorange said:
What kind of loving God sets up a system where he knows many will fail, and burn in hell?
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You have the free will to curse God your entire life, and live in whatever manner would best fit your desires. He gives you that option. If you had no option, that would mean he did not care.

If you break laws in the our society, should you be punished? Or allowed to becuase humankind is loving, and without standards.
 
#373
#373
IPorange said:
That's not a choice. Not by any stretch of the imagination.
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The choice is to believe in him with out an event done by God to prove his being to man.
Jesus is all we are going to get as far as this earth is concerned. Now, it is up to every man to CHOOSE if they believe or not.
In other words.....God could force us to believe, but he will not do that. The choice is yours to make.
 
#375
#375
T-TownVol said:
The Bible tells us that every man will "know" God. No one has an excuse.
We can only try our best to reach every person with the gospel. But, make no mistake, EVERY person will stand in judgement one day.
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I was just told that the reason why the "Great Commission" was given was to spread the word. Why do that if they already have been given the word and supposedly rejected it?
 
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