Religious debate (split from main board)

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#1,776
KB5252 said:
Maybe we are getting different meanings from that but the way I read it it is saying we are saved today by Jesus Christ, I see it as explaining his sacrifice as a baptism through his blood. Where exactly am I going wrong with my interpretation?
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We have a representation of a believer being baptized in the Bible. He passed water and entered into it with earnest. Why would that representation be different than any other of the commands?
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#1,777
#1,777
salutethehill said:
These are far from silly questions. Once you believe, confess your belief that Jesus is the son of God and repent of your sins, you should be baptized...immediately. It truly is that important. If they were baptized immediately in the Bible, why shouldn't we do the same.
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I don't disagree with that. Im just not to the point of saying that someone is not saved because they didn't get baptized immediately after they were saved. Thats kinda stepping into a roll that is saved for only one.
 
#1,778
#1,778
ridethelightening said:
We have a representation of a believer being baptized in the Bible. He passed water and entered into it with earnest. Why would that representation be different than any other of the commands?
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That passage was referencing Noah and his family being saved. It then goes on to explain that we are saved today by a different form of baptism, the sacrifice of Jesus.

Is there another passage you are referencing that I'm missing?
 
#1,779
#1,779
BeecherVol said:
I don't disagree with that. Im just not to the point of saying that someone is not saved because they didn't get baptized immediately after they were saved. Thats kinda stepping into a roll that is saved for only one.
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I am guilty of it myself but this bickering back and forth about the subtleties of belief among Christians is frustrating. There are some that put an emphasis on baptism or what have you but in the end there is only one thing that matters, having a personal relationship with God, at least that's the way I see and that's what I get when I study the Bible.
 
#1,780
#1,780
KB5252 said:
That passage was referencing Noah and his family being saved. It then goes on to explain that we are saved today by a different form of baptism, the sacrifice of Jesus.

Is there another passage you are referencing that I'm missing?
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The eunich?
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#1,781
#1,781
KB5252 said:
I am guilty of it myself but this bickering back and forth about the subtleties of belief among Christians is frustrating. There are some that put an emphasis on baptism or what have you but in the end there is only one thing that matters, having a personal relationship with God, at least that's the way I see and that's what I get when I study the Bible.
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Oh, Im not bickering with him. At least it is not intended that way. I believe in baptism, we just have a different opinions about it.
 
#1,785
#1,785
KB5252 said:
I am guilty of it myself but this bickering back and forth about the subtleties of belief among Christians is frustrating. There are some that put an emphasis on baptism or what have you but in the end there is only one thing that matters, having a personal relationship with God, at least that's the way I see and that's what I get when I study the Bible.
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How do you have a personal relationship with God?
John 14 15 “If you love Me, keep My commandments.

I'm gonna have to wrap this up. Some things we know:
Baptism alone will not save us just like faith alone with not save us.

What does baptism do?

Washes away our sins
Acts 22 16 And now why are you waiting? Arise and be baptized, and wash away your sins, calling on the name of the Lord.’

Places us in Jesus
Galatians 3 27 For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

Saves us
Mark 16 16 He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned.

Is commanded of us
Acts 10 47 “Can anyone forbid water, that these should not be baptized who have received the Holy Spirit just as we have?” 48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord.

What we must do to be saved is obey God.

Hebrews 5 9 And having been perfected, He became the author of eternal salvation to all who obey Him,

Since baptism is essential for obedience, and obedience is essential for salvation, we can conclude that baptism is essential to salvation.

This has been a great discussion that my employer has probably hated :). Thank you. If any of you would like to continue this on please PM me. Have a great weekend.

2 Timothy 2 15 Be diligent to present yourself approved to God, a worker who does not need to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
 
#1,787
#1,787
KB5252 said:
Baptism is nothing more than a symbolic gesture, those that argue back and forth about things like this are missing the point IMO.
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That is why I am done responding to these two legalists. The sad thing is, they do not even realize it.
God Bless to all.
 
#1,788
#1,788
salutethehill said:
Is commanded of us
Acts 10 47 “Can anyone forbid water, that these should not be baptized who have received the Holy Spirit just as we have?” 48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord.


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All of this quote is after salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. It plainly states that 'after receiving the Holy Spirit', you only receive the Holy Spirit at Salvation, not at Baptism.
 
#1,790
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salutethehill said:
These are far from silly questions. Once you believe, confess your belief that Jesus is the son of God and repent of your sins, you should be baptized...immediately. It truly is that important. If they were baptized immediately in the Bible, why shouldn't we do the same.
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Being baptized immediately is not always possible.
Are you saying if someone gets saved at a Wednesday night church service, he should go immediatley to the river or lake and be baptized ?
A person can be saved anywhere, anytime.
Example: A man becomes under conviction at 2 AM at his home. He sincerely pours his heart out to God, confesses his sins and God forgives him.
Is he not saved until he is baptized ?
How is he to be baptized immediatley ?

One is saved by the grace of God. If God forgave this man, he is saved
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IPorange said:
I really wouldn't know. These are some of the debates that led me to question the authenticity of anyone's "relationship with God."
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IP you are right on this point. I appologize for my part of the debate. People need to understand that what ever denomination a person claims to be, that the denomination itself is man made. It doesn't matter if its Baptist, Methodist, Catholic, C of C, its all man made. Just to clarify, a denomination should be a group of like minded believers. When the church gets its act together and realizes that we are One Body with Jesus Christ as its head with many parts, people like you will always look at it with distain. The reason that the church itself is not as powerful as it should be is because "us" Christains debate who's right. If we believe that Jesus died for forgiveness of our sins, that He was crucified, dead and buried, that He arose on the third day. That He has accended into Heaven and that He is returning. That salvation is only through Jesus Christ. Then "we" as Christians have a common base.
 
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#1,794
Oldvol75 said:
IP you are right on this point. I appologize for my part of the debate. People need to understand that what ever denomination a person claims to be, that the denomination itself is man made. It doesn't matter if its Baptist, Methodist, Catholic, C of C, its all man made. Just to clarify, a denomination should be a group of like minded believers. When the church gets its act together and realizes that we are One Body with Jesus Christ as its head with many parts, people like you will always look at it with distain. The reason that the church itself is not as powerful as it should be is because "us" Christains debate who's right. If we believe that Jesus died for forgiveness of our sins, that He was crucified, dead and buried, that He arose on the third day. That He has accended into Heaven and that He is returning. That salvation is only through Jesus Christ. Then "we" as Christians have a common base.
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Good post, OldVol, (or to me, you should be known Younger Vol, along with almost everyone else who posts at VN.)

To me, Christians discussing their differences should not be done among unbelievers. There are more important things to discuss, IMHO.
 
#1,795
#1,795
Mark 5: 25 And there was a woman who had had a discharge of blood for twelve years, 26 and who had suffered much under many physicians, and had spent all that she had, and was no better but rather grew worse. 27 She had heard the reports about Jesus and came up behind him in the crowd and touched his garment. 28 For she said, If I touch even his garments, I will be made well. 29 And immediately the flow of blood dried up, and she felt in her body that she was healed of her disease. 30 And Jesus, perceiving in himself that power had gone out from him, immediately turned about in the crowd and said, Who touched my garments? 31 And his disciples said to him, You see the crowd pressing around you, and yet you say, Who touched me? 32 And he looked around to see who had done it. 33 But the woman, knowing what had happened to her, came in fear and trembling and fell down before him and told him the whole truth. 34 And he said to her, Daughter, your faith has made you well; go in peace, and be healed of your disease

She was healed by her faith, but what did her faith compel her to do? Did she simply say, "I believe in Christ and he can save me"? She went to Christ just to touch Him in an attempt that His power might heal her.

You, too, can be touched by Christ and washed in his blood. Be buried in baptism WITH Him
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#1,796
#1,796
Oldvol75 said:
IP you are right on this point. I appologize for my part of the debate. People need to understand that what ever denomination a person claims to be, that the denomination itself is man made. It doesn't matter if its Baptist, Methodist, Catholic, C of C, its all man made. Just to clarify, a denomination should be a group
of like minded believers. When the
church gets its act together and realizes
that we are One Body with Jesus Christ
as its head with many parts, people like
you will always look at it with distain. The
reason thatthe church itself is not as powerful as it should be is because "us" Christains debate who's right. If we believe that Jesus died for forgiveness of our sins, that He was crucified, dead and buried, that He arose on the third day. That He has accended into
Heaven and that He is returning. That
salvation is only through Jesus Christ.
Then "we" as Christians have a common
base.
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excellent post...
Romans 10
4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

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#1,797
#1,797
I do agree, arguing over baptism is trivial because the overall message of christ is spreadking the gospel.

Though, I do love discussing the bible and I don't see any harm from it.
 
#1,798
#1,798
Having said all of that for the sake of a post pad...... I believe that it is time for a check and mate........

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