Religious debate (split from main board)

#178
#178
jamesd1628 said:
What you said in your previous post was: "Something happened to make you change your beliefs." That does not sound like a choice. That sounds like he was presented with some circumstance or fact that made him change his mind.
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Did he or did he not have a choice between the two beliefs at that time? No matter how its spun, we have to choose something everyday. When you go to a resturant, do you eat what they tell you to eat or do you choose?
 
#180
#180
Oldvol75 said:
Did he or did he not have a choice between the two beliefs at that time? No matter how its spun, we have to choose something everyday. When you go to a resturant, do you eat what they tell you to eat or do you choose?
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Is something really a choice if you have no control over it? You eat the foods you like, the foods you're hungry for at that moment. If you hate corn, you probably won't choose that. Can you change the fact that you hate corn? No.
 
#183
#183
We can really solve all of this by going to the best example of a modern interpretation of the bible.

NeoVsSmith_rev.jpg
 
#184
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jamesd1628 said:
Is something really a choice if you have no control over it? You eat the foods you like, the foods you're hungry for at that moment. If you hate corn, you probably won't choose that. Can you change the fact that you hate corn? No.
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Then you need to explain just how come I went from not believing to believeing. Then answer the question, That if there is a God and I suddendly found Him and He put in my heart that He really is, then who else put Him there? Was it God that put the thought in my heart or man?

Before you say the preacher, first and foremost NO preacher can save one single person. If people are into preacher worship then their religion is in vain. There is only one that saves and that is Jesus Christ. And I am saying this as a pastor.
 
#187
#187
vollygirl said:
At that point, it's no longer a belief. I know it's wet.
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So once something is elevated to the "knowledge" level, you no longer have a choice about whether to believe it? At what point does something ascend to this high perch? I suppose Christianity is not able to ascend to this high perch. If it could, then belief would be eliminated from the equation and the religion would be rendered meaningless.
 
#188
#188
The whole Matrix story is riddled with biblical references.

Reloaded was the story of Genesis. The Matrix story is packed with parallel spiritual metaphors, but it doesn't do any good to try and strictly interpret the Merovingian as The Devil (for example). So when I say Reloaded is the story of Genesis I mean that Genesis has similar symbols and we can use it as a way to understand what is happening in Reloaded. It will be the same for Revolutions.

Now, here we go. Revolutions is the story of the Quest for the Holy Grail and the Ascension of Christ. It is the story of the transition from the sixth day of Creation to the seventh.
 
#189
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jamesd1628 said:
So once something is elevated to the "knowledge" level, you no longer have a choice about whether to believe it? At what point does something ascend to this high perch? I suppose Christianity is not able to ascend to this high perch. If it could, then belief would be eliminated from the equation and the religion would be rendered meaningless.
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#190
#190
OrangeEmpire said:
We can really solve all of this by going to the best example of a modern interpretation of the bible.

NeoVsSmith_rev.jpg
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The original Matrix was incredible, and I'd say it's dang near impossible to argue that Neo wasn't intended as a metaphor for Jesus.

Now the sequels, those lost me a bit. I've watched them several times and just don't understand them. I know choice is certainly in there a great deal as a theme.

But one thing is for sure: that car chase scene in Reloaded is the best car chase scene I've ever seen.
 
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#192
#192
jamesd1628 said:
So once something is elevated to the "knowledge" level, you no longer have a choice about whether to believe it? At what point does something ascend to this high perch? I suppose Christianity is not able to ascend to this high perch. If it could, then belief would be eliminated from the equation and the religion would be rendered meaningless.
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Thus we have the Theory of Evolution brought to us by man. A belief that is now taught as fact. Does Science sit on this high perch?

Christianty is the high perch.
 
#193
#193
jamesd1628 said:
So once something is elevated to the "knowledge" level, you no longer have a choice about whether to believe it? At what point does something ascend to this high perch? I suppose Christianity is not able to ascend to this high perch. If it could, then belief would be eliminated from the equation and the religion would be rendered meaningless.
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Maybe you wanna look up the definition of belief?
 
#195
#195
Hey global cooling, I mean global warming guy!

I should quit breathing, huh? You know, all that evil gas I produce!
 
#199
#199
vollygirl said:
Maybe you wanna look up the definition of belief?
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Are you suggesting that there is no gray area between belief and knowledge? If you ask most Christians how they know it's true, they don't say: "I don't, I just chose to believe it." Instead, they say "I just know."
 
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#200
IPorange said:
So says Christianity. :blink:
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Yep! Its your choice to believe or not to believe. Which has been the crux of this mini debate.

Why does it bother you if people believe this or not? If there is something that I believe in and someone else does not, theres nothing I can do about it. As a pastor I can not make people believe one single word I say. I hope they don't take my word for it, instead I would rather them study and find out if what I am saying is true or untrue. I just plant a seed if you will, wether or not they come to the same conclusion is totally up to that person. I or any other person can not make someone believe, if that were possible you and I would not be debating this because you would be a Christian. But I don't have that power. I can only state my beliefs and why I believe them.
 
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