Religious debate (split from main board)

#126
#126
Jewbaccah said:
So what the rev was saying is that bammers go to heaven? So under the rule stated no one who is good gets in if they do not believe in the Jesus. I thank the lord everytime I read stuff like that for being born Jewish. He spared me much humiliation and absurdity.
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I refuse to believe that Heaven could be ruined by such an act.
 
#127
#127
Jewbaccah said:
That belief is a vessel for good works. It makes being good possible for many who without are weak. However, belief is not a key in itself to anything. Works are the key whether that means eternal life I have not a clue.
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Help me here...."Faith without works is.........?"
 
#131
#131
Bible also says that "without faith it is impossible to please God"

Faith needs to be at the forefront...the works will follow, if we truly have faith
 
#132
#132
Faith is the key to God's kingdom.

Heb 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Eph 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
 
#133
#133
You guys are like a choir. You know I work in education. And I find those who preach faith do little works and those that have faith but let their works do the preaching are needed desperately.
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#134
#134
That you are correct on. There are a lot of people that talk a good game, but do not back it up.

However, there is no reason why those that have true faith (that shows in their works) can't talk about it.
 
#135
#135
Jewbaccah said:
You guys are like a choir. You know I work in education. And I find those who preach faith do little works and those that have faith but let their works do the preaching are needed desperately.
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I would think that you do not see many good examples in your profession.
 
#136
#136
I don't think I ever said cease discussion. But it seems absurd to me that anyone believes belief in a particular g-d grants an all access pass to personal versions of bliss and others of equal merit will be denied. It is entirely void of reason from my eyes. I don't believe in heaven at all really. Joy and pain are internal and cannot be eternally granted by external action unless we were to sacrifice our free will. Eden is lost not to be recovered. Heaven is a drug to passify the evil hearted. Stronger is the man who does good works without the carrot. It is sad to me that many on here cannot even imagine doing good without the concept.
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#137
#137
Jewbaccah said:
I don't think I ever said cease discussion. But it seems absurd to me that anyone believes belief in a particular g-d grants an all access pass to personal versions of bliss and others of equal merit will be denied. It is entirely void of reason from my eyes. I don't believe in heaven at all really. Joy and pain are internal and cannot be eternally granted by external action unless we were to sacrifice our free will. Eden is lost not to be recovered. Heaven is a drug to passify the evil hearted. Stronger is the man who does good works without the carrot. It is sad to me that many on here cannot even imagine doing good without the concept.Posted via VolNation Mobile
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I believe that you grossly underestimate the beliefs of the ones you are calling out. Your lack of belief in the God that has chosen, saved and will always watch over you is very sad indeed.
 
#138
#138
Jewbaccah said:
I don't think I ever said cease discussion. But it seems absurd to me that anyone believes belief in a particular g-d grants an all access pass to personal versions of bliss and others of equal merit will be denied. It is entirely void of reason from my eyes. I don't believe in heaven at all really. Joy and pain are internal and cannot be eternally granted by external action unless we were to sacrifice our free will. Eden is lost not to be recovered. Heaven is a drug to passify the evil hearted. Stronger is the man who does good works without the carrot. It is sad to me that many on here cannot even imagine doing good without the concept.
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I think that this explains it better than I can in my own words.

1Co 1:21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.
1Co 1:22 For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:
1Co 1:23 But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;
1Co 1:24 But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.
1Co 1:25 Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.
1Co 1:26 For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called:
1Co 1:27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;
1Co 1:28 And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are:
1Co 1:29 That no flesh should glory in his presence.

I hope that God will reveal himself to you. I cannot imagine living my life without the assurance of my salvation. I remember the way that I lived before I gave my life over to Jesus. I also remember the hollowness that hounded me no matter how many goals I achieved. The only answer is Jesus.
 
#139
#139
Whats the pupose of doing any good, for anyone, other than yourself?

If there is nothing after death, why worry about it?


There is a reason why some of mankind does good, and its not because of their nature. Like you said, Eden was lost.
 
#140
#140
T-TownVol said:
I believe that you grossly underestimate the beliefs of the ones you are calling out. Your lack of belief in the God that has chosen, saved and will always watch over you is very sad indeed.
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Just for clarity judaism does not proscribe to the after life concept Christians do. It does not mean they have no faith. As for my personal beliefs they are to me fluid as to g-d sometimes stronger sometimes in question. My actions are not. My beliefs are not necessarily of all Jews. And I would rather any energy spent watching over me be diverted to those of greater need. I will be fine promise.
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#141
#141
Jewbaccah said:
Just for clarity judaism does not proscribe to the after life concept Christians do. It does not mean they have no faith. As for my personal beliefs they are to me fluid as to g-d sometimes stronger sometimes in question. My actions are not. My beliefs are not necessarily of all Jews. And I would rather any energy spent watching over me be diverted to those of greater need. I will be fine promise.Posted via VolNation Mobile
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God can and does handle both. I wish you all the best in your walk with "g-d".
 
#142
#142
Only those who have known sorrow and suffering can have fellowship with those in affliction. The Word of God also teaches that Christians suffer in order that they might glorify God in their lives.The Bible further teaches that Christians suffer in order that God might teach them lessons in prayer. Also, Christians suffer in order that God might bring them to repentance.
 
#144
#144
T-TownVol said:
God can and does handle both. I wish you all the best in your walk with "g-d".
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The g-d without the o is a practice of some Jews to not say or write the name in vain. It is a habit now. I feel like if write it our lightning bolts might strike me. Not sure if you misunderstood why I do that.
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#145
#145
Jewbaccah said:
The g-d without the o is a practice of some Jews to not say or write the name in vain. It is a habit now. I feel like if write it our lightning bolts might strike me. Not sure if you misunderstood why I do that.
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I knew why you did not use the o. That is why I used " " marks. Most Jewish people are far more dedicated to studying the original texts than I could ever hope to be.
 
#146
#146
Headed For Home said:
PJ,

There are plenty of times in my own life that God has absolutely intervened on my behalf. I know you would like to actually see a physical God, but He does demand faith. It doesn't take a whole lot of faith to understand that God is in control. It does, however take a good amount of faith to trust your life to Him and attempt to live ina a manner that He finds pleasing. I hope that you come to understand that truth.
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And there are billions of people, ranging from Muslims to Hindus that also find their beliefs in their particular deity(s) giving them benefits as well. What good does that argument (from ignorance and assumption) do anybody? When a Muslim prays, and feels the presence of Allah, is that proof of her beliefs? When a Hindu finds himself in the aftermath of a felicitous event, does that prove his belief system in your eyes? In fact, many institutions are flooded with people who have deep, intense feelings of connection with invisible creatures. None of this means a damned thing, to be honest.
 
#147
#147
turambar85 said:
And there are billions of people, ranging from Muslims to Hindus that also find their beliefs in their particular deity(s) giving them benefits as well. What good does that argument (from ignorance and assumption) do anybody? When a Muslim prays, and feels the presence of Allah, is that proof of her beliefs? When a Hindu finds himself in the aftermath of a felicitous event, does that prove his belief system in your eyes? In fact, many institutions are flooded with people who have deep, intense feelings of connection with invisible creatures. None of this means a damned thing, to be honest.
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My post was a response to a statement about the need for faith, it was not a lone justification for believing in God and trusting in Christ.

Jesus Christ is the only religious figure to fulfill prophesies made hundreds of years before his birth. He is the only one to have risen from the dead. He is like no other who has ever lived either before Him or after. There are many "reasons" to believe.

I will pray that you find the one that inspires you before you are out of time.
 
#148
#148
Headed For Home said:
My post was a response to a statement about the need for faith, it was not a lone justification for believing in God and trusting in Christ.

Jesus Christ is the only religious figure to fulfill prophesies made hundreds of years before his birth. He is the only one to have risen from the dead. He is like no other who has ever lived either before Him or after. There are many "reasons" to believe.

I will pray that you find the one that inspires you before you are out of time.
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Khristos Voskreshnie = Christ is risen.

When you see Xmas, that isn't an attempt to take Christ out of Christmas, it is an expression of belief from eastern sects of Christian believers.

We have the sign of the fish that is somtimes seen and understood these days, when it meant death to be openly Christian in the Roman empire one could make a mark in the dust and then another could complete the sign and they would understand both were believers.

In the east it went like this, one would make the mark ), if another understood then he would complete the sign with a (, so it would look like (closely resembling) )( which is the letter in the Greek or syrillic alphabet for KHA and that is the first letter in the name of Christ.

Also believers would greet another by saying 'kha' if the other were also a believer, he would answer 'veh', taken together H - V meant 'Christ is risen.'

Merry Christmas. :salute:
 
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