Rep. Giffords of Arizona shot

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GAVol said:
Agreed . . . At least let the funerals happen before playing the predictable blame game.
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I am beginning to think that part of the blame game and our culture of victimization rests on our inability to handle random events. We expect order in all things, but sometimes batcrap crazy things happen.
 
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Lexvol said:
I am beginning to think that part of the blame game and our culture of victimization rests on our inability to handle random events. We expect order in all things, but sometimes batcrap crazy things happen.
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i think the blame game has been accellerated since the internet and chat forums. We can blame and criticize 24/7
 
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utgibbs said:
Given that he's obviously mentally ill, what punishment should Jared receive if and when convicted by a jury?
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That's always a tough call. I'd assume he'll escape the death penalty due to mental illness and end up with life in prison one way or the other.
 
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Lexvol said:
I am beginning to think that part of the blame game and our culture of victimization rests on our inability to handle random events. We expect order in all things, but sometimes batcrap crazy things happen.
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Is it random though?
 
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BigPapaVol said:
Nope. County sheriff said this is about vitriolic analysis.
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Is it possible to look like a bigger ass clown than to be the lead investigator in a mass murder and to hold a press conference where you place politically motivated blame a few hours into the investigation?
 
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utgibbs said:
Is it random though?
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His choice of who to shoot? Absolutely not. That he decided to make himself a name by shooting a bunch of people, yes.

Your sheriff buddy, who has tried to make this about political rhetoric, is an idiot enjoying a day in the sun to air his political silliness.
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BigPapaVol said:
His choice of who to shoot? Absolutely not. That he decided to make himself a name by shooting a bunch of people, yes.

Your sheriff buddy, who has tried to make this about political rhetoric, is an idiot enjoying a day in the sun to air his political silliness.
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The sheriff and I are not friends.

I don't have the data (yet), but the Whacked-Out Nut Jobs (WONJs), at first glance, seem on the rise. At first glance, it looks outside the background noise of general WONJs. I'm just asking, is this random?

In addition, even if Jared is severely mentally-ill, that in no way diminishes the politics of his action. In fact, being mentally ill (if so adjudicated), his action raises even more profound questions than if he were stone cold sane and clinical.
 
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GAVol said:
Is it possible to look like a bigger ass clown than to be the lead investigator in a mass murder and to hold a press conference where you place politically motivated blame a few hours into the investigation?
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I think you would be a bigger ass clown ignoring the 800lbs gorilla in the room, myself. Or trying to apoliticize the attempted assasination of a political leader.

His press conference was actually apolitical. He mentioned no political party, he mentioned no group, he mentioned no side of the political ruler (Left - Right) as far as I heard. Vitriol, a Mecca of bigotry. He made no inference of which side of the political ruler it came from.

People must be "jumping to conclusions."

Except there is an 800lbs gorilla in the parlor.
 
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utgibbs said:
In addition, even if Jared is severely mentally-ill, that in no way diminishes the politics of his action.
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That's crazy. Of course it diminishes the politics!? So far this morning I've seen him called a right wing whack job, a liberal pot head and an anarchist . . . all of which are probably invalid since the dude is more than likely slap nuts.
 
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utgibbs said:
I think you would be a bigger ass clown ignoring the 800lbs gorilla in the room, myself. Or trying to apoliticize the attempted assasination of a political leader.
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Crazy people do crazy things. Look at John Hinkley Jr. He shot the leader of the free world and there was nothing political about it.
 
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GAVol said:
That's crazy. Of course it diminishes the politics!? So far this morning I've seen him called a right wing whack job, a liberal pot head and an anarchist . . . all of which are probably invalid since the dude is more than likely slap nuts.
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It does not diminish the politics of his action.

In fact, there are A LOT more questions raised about his action should he be "slap nuts" than if he is stone cold sane.
 
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It is retarded to say this idiotic sheriff's press conference was apolitical because he didnt mention which team he's on. In fact, I'm struggling to lump Obama in the political speech realm due to his same omissions.
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GAVol said:
Crazy people do crazy things. Look at John Hinkley Jr. He shot the leader of the free world and there was nothing political about it.
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True. But the political questions were asked at the time, until there was no longer any need.

Trying to apoliticize this at this time would be absolutely impeachable for any law enforcement officer. His illness would raise a host of profound questions. And if the final answer is, "I was trying to impress Jody Foster" than that's the answer. If he's not already talking, I would think it suggests something else, although I'm no expert on mental health issues.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
It is retarded to say this idiotic sheriff's press conference was apolitical because he didnt mention which team he's on. In fact, I'm struggling to lump Obama in the political speech realm due to his same omissions.
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Which recognizes the 800lbs gorilla in the parlor, which we all know about, but which certain posters want to try to distance themselves from.

Thankee.... :hi:
 
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A guy that sprays senior citizens and kids with bullets is flat out insane. His level of premeditation doesn't make it any less random for me. The cause wasn't anything anybody had done or said. The cause was organic brain malfunction.
 
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Lexvol said:
A guy that sprays senior citizens and kids with bullets is flat out insane. His level of premeditation doesn't make it any less random for me. The cause wasn't anything anybody had done or said. The cause was organic brain malfunction.
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nunh, unh. The local sheriff said it's hate speech that drove this guy. Forget about the actual people who would pull the trigger, this entire think is driven by rhetoric.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
nunh, unh. The local sheriff said it's hate speech that drove this guy. Forget about the actual people who would pull the trigger, this entire think is driven by rhetoric.
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Ironic considering that the left wing rhetoric is almost exclusively confined to "America must have done something to deserve this".
 
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lawgator1 said:
Its not the whole TP. And its not their views (although I disagree with some of them).

Its the irresponsible method by which some of their leadership motivate people that is an issue.
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So where are your condemnations of Al Gore and the rest of the lunatic fringe of the environmental movement? The environmental alarmists' rhetoric was a direct contributor to the motives of the guy who killed people a few months ago at Discovery.

Why aren't you condemning Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, Feminist leaders, homosexual activists, etc. Their rhetoric is FAR more hateful and persistently so. They make the right of center majority in this country out to be the enemy.

The guy who shot Giffords has been on a 4 year trek that precedes the TP. But folks like-minded with you stepped out immediately to condemn the TP. Don't let a good crisis go to waste, right?

Even if they are right, and even if your distracting (shock) argument about Muslims were correct, that does not change the fact that some of the TP leadership trades on fear and worry, and winds it up.
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ALL OF THE LIBERAL LEFT trades on fear and worry. "The "rich" are taking food out of babies' mouths... the right wants to take away your medicare... the Christian Right wants to impose morality on you... The TP is racist... The GOP is racist... anyone who is not a pro-gov't statist/progressive is a racist... your water and air will be poison if conservatives get their way..."

Name a single issue that the left does not try to get their way by trading on manufactured fear and worry.

The TP "fear" issues are legitimate. Gov't growth is a threat to private property and rights. Our budget problems really CAN sink our economy and we cannot afford more taxes. The Left really does ignore or skirt the original intent of the USC to impose their ideals on the rest of us.

Fear over real, objectively demonstrable problems is not always a bad thing.

November was a productive outcome for the TP and its arguments. But in its wake, there has been (and continues to be) some serious unintended consequences that the TP leadership ought to just think about as it moves forward.
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The trillions spent on social programs over the past 50 years or so were a productive outcome for the left. But in its wake, there have been serious unintended consequences that Dems need to think about as it moves forward. The black family has further eroded. Generational dependency on gov't programs has created an "unemployable" class of healthy people who subsist without hope. Crime in communities created/effected by these gov't programs has increased and increased in severity.

You are the classic illustration for "pull the beam out of your own eye before you attempt to get the speck out of another's eye".
 
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Lexvol said:
Ironic considering that the left wing rhetoric is almost exclusively confined to "America must have done something to deserve this".
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Drudge pointed it out, but the left's approach to the Hasan terrorism at Hood vs. this particular incident is telling.
 
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Lexvol said:
Ironic considering that the left wing rhetoric is almost exclusively confined to "America must have done something to deserve this".
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That's true. Where are our lefties here and out in the world to rationalize this behavior by saying that she and her followers must have done something to deserve it?
 
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