Richmond is taking down Confederate statues: Is this the end for other Confederate memorials?

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lukeneyland said:
Some of the people involved. You know I imagine most of those that wrote those documents and initiated the conflict never fired a rifle in anger or saw a friend blown apart by artillery. It's like almost any other 18 to 19th century conflict. The motivations of the combatants and those who manipulate them are often very different
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It doesn't matter what the soldiers thought or their reasons. The leaders who started the war had the reason of slavery and slavery only. They explicitly stated so. No way to argue the reason for the Civil war.

Cornerstone Speech - Wikipedia
The Cornerstone Speech, also known as the Cornerstone Address, was an oration given by Confederate Vice President Alexander H. Stephens at the Athenaeum in Savannah, Georgia, on March 21, 1861,[1] delivered extemporaneously a few weeks before the Civil War began with the Confederate attack on Fort Sumter. Stephens' speech defended "slavery" as a fundamental and just result of the inferiority of the black race, explained the fundamental differences between the constitutions of the Confederacy and that of the United States, enumerated contrasts between U.S. and Confederate ideologies, and laid out the Confederacy's rationale for seceding from the U.S. In particular, he stated that "Our new government['s] foundations are laid, its cornerstone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man."
 
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k-town_king said:
It doesn't matter what the soldiers thought or their reasons. The leaders who started the war had the reason of slavery and slavery only. They explicitly stated so. No way to argue the reason for the Civil war.

Cornerstone Speech - Wikipedia
The Cornerstone Speech, also known as the Cornerstone Address, was an oration given by Confederate Vice President Alexander H. Stephens at the Athenaeum in Savannah, Georgia, on March 21, 1861,[1] delivered extemporaneously a few weeks before the Civil War began with the Confederate attack on Fort Sumter. Stephens' speech defended "slavery" as a fundamental and just result of the inferiority of the black race, explained the fundamental differences between the constitutions of the Confederacy and that of the United States, enumerated contrasts between U.S. and Confederate ideologies, and laid out the Confederacy's rationale for seceding from the U.S. In particular, he stated that "Our new government['s] foundations are laid, its cornerstone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man."
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It certainly matters to me and a few of us yet. You won't catch me putting in flowers on Alexander Stephens grave though. With your approach their wouldn't be a flag in the world that was unsullied enough to fly. You are either misunderstanding my point or misrepresenting it. The latter wouldn't shock me as it isn't terribly hard to do
 
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Seattle 'autonomous zone' has Armed Guards, local businesses being Threatened with Extortion, police say

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Lenin Statue in Seattle
 
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The removal of Confederate statues is just a small part of the larger REVOLUTION mow taking place inside the United States, led by the terrorist groups Black Lives Matter, Antifa, and others, and fully supported by the news and entertainment industries.

Tim Wise, author of DEAR WHITE AMERICA, says that white parents must now teach their white children that they can no longer enjoy innocent happy lives because black children don't have those same lives. He approves of VIOLENCE against those who disagree.

The Rochester School District in New York has created a BLACK LIVES MATTER lesson plan. The material dismisses America's institutions and brands them all as inherently RACIST.
 
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Franklin Pierce said:
The removal of Confederate statues is just a small part of the larger REVOLUTION mow taking place inside the United States, led by the terrorist groups Black Lives Matter, Antifa, and others, and fully supported by the news and entertainment industries.

Tim Wise, author of DEAR WHITE AMERICA, says that white parents must now teach their white children that they can no longer enjoy innocent happy lives because black children don't have those same lives. He approves of VIOLENCE against those who disagree.

The Rochester School District in New York has created a BLACK LIVES MATTER lesson plan. The material dismisses America's institutions and brands them all as inherently RACIST.
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Opening of an unclosable box.......history is littered with diametrically opposed forces eventually only finding one inevitable outcome........maybe it is inevitable? Guess maybe we'll see in our life times sadly.....hopefully not.
 
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Franklin Pierce said:
The removal of Confederate statues is just a small part of the larger REVOLUTION mow taking place inside the United States, led by the terrorist groups Black Lives Matter, Antifa, and others, and fully supported by the news and entertainment industries.

Tim Wise, author of DEAR WHITE AMERICA, says that white parents must now teach their white children that they can no longer enjoy innocent happy lives because black children don't have those same lives. He approves of VIOLENCE against those who disagree.

The Rochester School District in New York has created a BLACK LIVES MATTER lesson plan. The material dismisses America's institutions and brands them all as inherently RACIST.
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aww don't worry. You will be okay. Show us were the bad ole libs touched you.
 
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titansvolsfaninga said:
It doesn't work like that. The south can not just declare themself a sovereign nation because they want to hold on to slaves. They were still a part of the United States. So Lincoln sent troops into part of the United States. The confederate troops fired on the union troops on US soil. Romanticize all you want, the Confederate troops fired on Union troops which started the war.
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Who's romanticizing? South Carolina seceded before Lincoln took office. President Buchanan had peace talks in D.C. to try and preserve the Union, but ultimately they did not meet with an agreement. South Carolina brought up the issue of the forts in their harbor. At that time, Fort Sumter was not completed and uninhabited. Buchanan gave assurances that it would not be occupied. Without orders, the leader of Union forces at Fort Moultrie decided it was indefensible, so he moved his troops to Fort Sumter, going against what President Buchanan had said.

If joining the Union was voluntary, then why would a state think it needs permission to leave? Lincoln was the one who decided "it didn't work that way". If the South had won, then it very well would have worked that way, but they lost, which is the only reason it doesn't work that way. States very much felt they had the right to leave a voluntary Union.

When Lincoln sent troops into the South, it was very much seen as an invasion by Southerners. Why do you think they called it the "War of Northern Aggression"?
 
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evillawyer said:
The Myth of the Kindly General Lee
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Because the Atlantic is such an unbiased well educated source with no agenda to push whatsoever. The only myth that is
actually circulated is that Lee was staunchly anti slavery. He admitted the sin in it but lacked the will to act on it. He was also probably more humane compared to the rest of the country in terms of how he treated the blacks. Kindly for his era and geographic location? Maybe. But the abolitionist idea is a joke. He's probably the finest military mind our country has ever seen in the field. I'll argue that with you all you like
 
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Weezer said:
Who's romanticizing? South Carolina seceded before Lincoln took office. President Buchanan had peace talks in D.C. to try and preserve the Union, but ultimately they did not meet with an agreement. South Carolina brought up the issue of the forts in their harbor. At that time, Fort Sumter was not completed and uninhabited. Buchanan gave assurances that it would not be occupied. Without orders, the leader of Union forces at Fort Moultrie decided it was indefensible, so he moved his troops to Fort Sumter, going against what President Buchanan had said.

If joining the Union was voluntary, then why would a state think it needs permission to leave? Lincoln was the one who decided "it didn't work that way". If the South had one, then it very well would have worked that way, but they lost, which is the only reason it doesn't work that way. States very much felt they had the right to leave a voluntary Union.

When Lincoln sent troops into the South, it was very much seen as an invasion by Southerners. Why do you think they called it the "War of Northern Aggression"?
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Revisionist history by loser, traitors, cowards, rapists and murderers.
 
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