Richmond is taking down Confederate statues: Is this the end for other Confederate memorials?

[midnight orange]

I don’t know why people get hung up on the word traitor. All traitors are not equal. You have the Benedict Arnold type of traitor (bad) and you have other “ traitors” such as
The founders: traitors to the English crown, loyal to the Revolution
Confederates: traitors to the Union, loyal to their state
David Farragut: traitor to Tennessee but loyal to the Union
The Free French Army: traitors to the Vichy, loyal to a French Republic free of Nazi control
Dietrich Bonhoeffer: traitor to Nazi Germany, loyal to a Germany that didn’t murder Jews and his religion.

It’s a very tricky word to me that doesn’t necessarily connotate some sort of malfeasance. There has to be a better word.

 

[k-town_king]

So then they weren't traitors?

Yes. They WERE Americans. Then they became traitors who murdered U.S. troops.

 

[Sandman 423]

Not even a good joke.

Is that the new Biden slogan?

 

[LouderVol]

I don’t know why people get hung up on the word traitor. All traitors are not equal. You have the Benedict Arnold type of traitor (bad) and you have other “ traitors” such as
The founders: traitors to the English crown, loyal to the Revolution
Confederates: traitors to the Union, loyal to their state
David Farragut: traitor to Tennessee but loyal to the Union
The Free French Army: traitors to the Vichy, loyal to a French Republic free of Nazi control
Dietrich Bonhoeffer: traitor to Nazi Germany, loyal to a Germany that didn’t murder Jews and his religion.

It’s a very tricky word to me that doesn’t necessarily connotate some sort of malfeasance. There has to be a better word.

It's also interesting to note that all the "traitors" were forgiven. That usually doesnt happen. Even the leaders.

The United States treated them like new territory not enemies.

 

[hog88]

Yes. They WERE Americans. Then they became traitors who murdered U.S. troops.

First casualties of the war from hostile fire were confederate troops on CSA ground.

 

[lukeneyland]

South carolina formally requested the removal of federal troops from their state before they seceded. The feds refused. The feds were then seen as forcibly holding territory in South Carolina.

Also the South didn't leave all as one at the same time. Virginia and Tennessee left partially because they were going to be forcibly coerced into subjugating the other southern states, and they wanted none of it

 

[hog88]

I guess the Indian tribes that fought US troops are traitors and we need to get rid of their monuments?

 

[Sandman 423]

First casualties of the war from hostile fire were confederate troops on CSA ground.

I think you need to read up on your revisionist history. Ignoring the truth shall set you free!!!

 

[volsarelife1]

 

[Velo Vol]

Taylor Swift breaks her silence.

 

[MontyPython]

I guess the Indian tribes that fought US troops are traitors and we need to get rid of their monuments?

Everyone but the Land O'Lakes babe. Also: Pretty sure we committed genocide. Probably not a proud American moment eh.

 

[carlos86]

First casualties of the war from hostile fire were confederate troops on CSA ground.

“April 19, 1861, the first blood of the American Civil War is shed when a secessionist mob in Baltimore attacks Massachusetts troops bound for Washington, D.C. Four soldiers and 12 rioters were killed.”

 

[1972 Grad]

“April 19, 1861, the first blood of the American Civil War is shed when a secessionist mob in Baltimore attacks Massachusetts troops bound for Washington, D.C. Four soldiers and 12 rioters were killed.”

What about Daniel Hough and Edward Galloway about a week prior?

 

[hog88]

Taylor Swift breaks her silence.

I wonder how she feels about her dad?

 

[hog88]

“April 19, 1861, the first blood of the American Civil War is shed when a secessionist mob in Baltimore attacks Massachusetts troops bound for Washington, D.C. Four soldiers and 12 rioters were killed.”

A mob, not soldiers in a state that stayed in the union. Try again.

 

[Rickyvol77]

Everyone but the Land O'Lakes babe. Also: Pretty sure we committed genocide. Probably not a proud American moment eh.

Yea and those poor Indian tribes were totes peaceful and never once raised arms against any one else

 

[GoBigOrangeUT]

Yea and those poor Indian tribes were totes peaceful and never once raised arms against any one else

And why would they raise arms against anyone? It’s not like we didn’t forcefully take their land and wipe them out.

 

[Rickyvol77]

And why would they raise arms against anyone? It’s not like we didn’t forcefully take their land and wipe them out.

So that’s all that ever happened huh?
No treaties signed that they broke?
No some tribes attacking other tribes or attacking innocent white people?
No tribes joining our foreign enemies and swearing war against the US this become traitors?

 

[1972 Grad]

So that’s all that ever happened huh?
No treaties signed that they broke?
No some tribes attacking other tribes or attacking innocent white people?
No tribes joining our foreign enemies and swearing war against the US this become traitors?

They were peacefully hunting buffalo and gathering berries and we opened up on them.

 

[carlos86]

A mob, not soldiers in a state that stayed in the union. Try again.

The official first casualty of the American Civil War

“Elmer E. Ellsworth (May 24, 1861) — Union officer Ellsworth was a law clerk under Abraham Lincoln and an Army soldier. Just prior to the Civil War, he began recruiting for the 11th New York Volunteer Regiment. The day after Virginia voters ratified the state convention’s decision to secede from the Union, Ellsworth and his troops entered Alexandria, Virginia, to assist in the occupation of the city. There, while taking down a Confederate flag, he was shot point blank by innkeeper James Jackson, a defender of slavery.”

 

[GoBigOrangeUT]

So that’s all that ever happened huh?
No treaties signed that they broke?
No some tribes attacking other tribes or attacking innocent white people?
No tribes joining our foreign enemies and swearing war against the US this become traitors?

You seem to really like to tote the water for white people. It’s odd. Believe it or not, even white folks do terrible things. Whether it be the genocide of native Americans, or the murder of Arbery. Yet here you are, defending them at every turn.

 

[k-town_king]

You seem to really like to tote the water for white people. It’s odd. Believe it or not, even white folks do terrible things. Whether it be the genocide of native Americans, or the murder of Arbery. Yet here you are, defending them at every turn.

Dickyvol is a proud racist cop. don't mind him

 

[Rickyvol77]

You seem to really like to tote the water for white people. It’s odd. Believe it or not, even white folks do terrible things. Whether it be the genocide of native Americans, or the murder of Arbery. Yet here you are, defending them at every turn.

I don’t defend the fact that the government and white people and black people and other Indians did some horrific things to some Indian tribes. But again they weren’t all peaceful loving Disney Indians minding their own business till the mean white men killed them either. Some were bloodthirsty savages, some were great people who were unjustly moved and some were simply traitors to the US

 

[Rickyvol77]

Dickyvol is a proud racist cop. don't mind him

K town you would know true racism if you ever actually had experienced it. Instead of just calling all conservatives neo-nazis.

 

[1972 Grad]

The official first casualty of the American Civil War

“Elmer E. Ellsworth (May 24, 1861) — Union officer Ellsworth was a law clerk under Abraham Lincoln and an Army soldier. Just prior to the Civil War, he began recruiting for the 11th New York Volunteer Regiment. The day after Virginia voters ratified the state convention’s decision to secede from the Union, Ellsworth and his troops entered Alexandria, Virginia, to assist in the occupation of the city. There, while taking down a Confederate flag, he was shot point blank by innkeeper James Jackson, a defender of slavery.”

There were 2 Union soldiers killed by accident at Fort Sumter on April 15, 1861 in an explosion