Richmond is taking down Confederate statues: Is this the end for other Confederate memorials?

[BayVol7]

Why so many geographic sites in the US still have racist names - CNN

So many more to go

 

[NurseGoodVol]

Well I'll never have a reason to ever visit Charlottesville. This should do wonders for their tourist industry.

There is nothing impressive in Charlottesville, trust me.

 

[Orangeslice13]

I just don't understand how it changes anyone's life on a substantive or measurable basis... other than feels.

A whole lot of happy white people out there with a few close ups of black people mixed in to make it appear that it’s their movement

 

[Grand Vol]

Why so many geographic sites in the US still have racist names - CNN

So many more to go

I wonder if that idiot even realizes the history of Texas and the fact it was a Spanish and Mexican controlled area for a long time.

And the fact that Negro, with a different pronunciation, is a Spanish word?

Way to be culturally sensitive, CNN.

 

[hog88]

Where are we at on changing military base names? I thought that was a hot button item last year, one that was going to be acted on immediately if Biden won.

 

[Grand Vol]

Where are we at on changing military base names? I thought that was a hot button item last year, one that was going to be acted on immediately if Biden won.

Pretty soon they will all be offensive.

 

[hog88]

Pretty soon they will all be offensive.

They just need to be numbered like all the buildings on post. And the numbers don't even have to be near each other so if you find base 1 it doesn't mean base 2 is anywhere near there.

 

[BayVol7]

I wonder if that idiot even realizes the history of Texas and the fact it was a Spanish and Mexican controlled area for a long time.

And the fact that Negro, with a different pronunciation, is a Spanish word?

Way to be culturally sensitive, CNN.

Interesting takeaway

 

[Grand Vol]

Interesting takeaway

I embrace many cultures. I'm sorry your narrow minded view keeps you from experiencing all that life can offer.

And BTW, I wonder when CNN will call for the boycott of Modelo beer?

 

[Weezer]

Before she was forcibly converted to Christianity and sent to England as a trophy bride? Yeah.

She was never sent to England as a trophy bride. She was already married when she joined the Lewis & Clark Expedition, and had a baby not long before they departed on their journey. Her husband was a French-Canadian who bought her from a tribe of Hidatsa(Sioux). Sacagawea was Shoshone, and had been captured in a raid by the Hidatsa.

You are probably thinking of Pocahontas, but even then, there isn't proof to support she was forced to convert to Christianity, though many Native Americans were. She did convert, but the issue is whether or not it was by choice. Also, though she was treated as a type of trophy by the English, she was not a "trophy wife". She and John Rolfe had genuine affection for each other.

 

[Weezer]

Somehow I doubt the location of Monticello, Highland, UVA campus, numerous museums and wineries, that also happens to be pretty close to the Shenandoah National Park, is going to lose a lot of tourists because there isn't a statue of Robert E. Lee on a horse. But if that's the only thing that you would find interesting there, you're entitled to that opinion.

Monticello and Highland aren't racist?

 

[AshG]

She was never sent to England as a trophy bride. She was already married when she joined the Lewis & Clark Expedition, and had a baby not long before they departed on their journey. Her husband was a French-Canadian who bought her from a tribe of Hidatsa(Sioux). Sacagawea was Shoshone, and had been captured in a raid by the Hidatsa.

You are probably thinking of Pocahontas, but even then, there isn't proof to support she was forced to convert to Christianity, though many Native Americans were. She did convert, but the issue is whether or not it was by choice. Also, though she was treated as a type of trophy by the English, she was not a "trophy wife". She and John Rolfe had genuine affection for each other.

Yep. I completely whiffed on that one. Thanks for the clarification.

 

[Weezer]

Not saying it’s the right thing to do or not but from the photos you see how meaningful it is to the people in attendance.

There were people who opposed the removal as well, It was meaningful to them for one reason or another. So how do we find a fair balance of whose feelings matter?

Personally, I say let voters of a city decide what should or should not adorn their city. The problem becomes people being shamed for feeling one way or another. Not everyone who supports the statues is a "white supremist" or "racist", and not everyone who supports their removal is a "fascist" or a "liberal".

Of course my biggest fear in this type of censorship is when do we cross a line? It starts with a statue, but what's next? Artwork? Books? What else will be deemed offensive and need "removal".

 

[evillawyer]

There were people who opposed the removal as well, It was meaningful to them for one reason or another. So how do we find a fair balance of whose feelings matter?

Personally, I say let voters of a city decide what should or should not adorn their city. The problem becomes people being shamed for feeling one way or another. Not everyone who supports the statues is a "white supremist" or "racist", and not everyone who supports their removal is a "fascist" or a "liberal".

Of course my biggest fear in this type of censorship is when do we cross a line? It starts with a statue, but what's next? Artwork? Books? What else will be deemed offensive and need "removal".

Removing a statue is censorship? Explain that one to me.

 

[Weezer]

Removing a statue is censorship? Explain that one to me.

I would try, but we both know it would be pointless. Whether or not you could understand, you'd choose not to.

 

[evillawyer]

I would try, but we both know it would be pointless. Whether or not you could understand, you'd choose not to.

Please enlighten me. I'd love to hear the theory of how this constitutes censorship.

 

[Weezer]

Censorship is the suppression of speech or art or other forms of communication that are considered obscene, or politically unacceptable. What was the reasoning for removing the statues again?

 

[clarksvol00]

Monticello and Highland aren't racist?

I'll leave that up to whoever likes to decide those things. I will say that I saw an article a few months ago about Monticello's attempts to include more of the Sally Hemmings story into their programs or exhibits.

 

[Weezer]

I'll leave that up to whoever likes to decide those things. I will say that I saw an article a few months ago about Monticello's attempts to include more of the Sally Hemmings story into their programs or exhibits.

I just figure it's a matter of time before places associated with the FFs become targeted.

 

[PEPPERJAX]

I embrace many cultures. I'm sorry your narrow minded view keeps you from experiencing all that life can offer.

And BTW, I wonder when CNN will call for the boycott of Modelo beer?

Those fuggers better not boycott Modelo beer. That libation is da bomb!

 

[hog88]

I embrace many cultures. I'm sorry your narrow minded view keeps you from experiencing all that life can offer.

And BTW, I wonder when CNN will call for the boycott of Modelo beer?

Do they advertise on CNN?

 

[evillawyer]

Censorship is the suppression of speech or art or other forms of communication that are considered obscene, or politically unacceptable. What was the reasoning for removing the statues again?

Seems like the speaker here is the government. So question for you is whether a speaker can decide to say something different than he had said before? Is that censorship? If the government wants to build a new courthouse to replace it's aging one and that aging one has "In God We Trust" on it, is it censorship if a new courthouse goes up without "In God We Trust" on it?

 

[evillawyer]

Seems like the speaker here is the government. So question for you is whether a speaker can decide to say something different than he had said before? Is that censorship? If the government wants to build a new courthouse to replace it's aging one and that aging one has "In God We Trust" on it, is it censorship if a new courthouse goes up without "In God We Trust" on it?

Am I just gonna get some Simon and Garfunkel from you @Weezer

 

[AM64]

Where are we at on changing military base names? I thought that was a hot button item last year, one that was going to be acted on immediately if Biden won.

I still did basic training at Ft Benning - regardless of what happens, and I'll bet most guys feel exactly the same way. We apparently didn't get our souls crushed by training at racist bases - now drill sergeants could crush a soul like nobody's business and they said mean stuff ... in the old days

 

[hog88]

I still did basic training at Ft Benning - regardless of what happens, and I'll bet most guys feel exactly the same way. We apparently didn't get our souls crushed by training at racist bases - now drill sergeants could crush a soul like nobody's business and they said mean stuff ... in the old days

Same.