Rick Barnes discussion (merged)

[Thunder Good-Oil]

To be honest you need to be able to trust a super senior with 2 fouls…he also gave us next to nothing tonight…on the other hand you didn’t mind playing Jonas with 4 fouls and getting him fouled out before crunch time so why can’t you trust Vescovi to play with 2 fouls in first half and keep the game closer

Because there’s considerably more game remaining when somebody is in first half foul trouble. And you can trust the senior, but you can not trust the refs.

 

[volplaya8]

Because there’s considerably more game remaining when somebody is in first half foul trouble. And you can trust the senior, but you can not trust the refs.

2 fouls is not foul trouble for a proven player…and he ends the night with the same two fouls lol…
basketball 101 is you know who to trust and who you can’t…Vescovi can be trusted to play with fouls…if you or Barnes can’t figure that out then keep losing games you could win

 

[volplaya8]

We do not and almost every team in P6 basketball does not. Your list of complains is growing. Our 3+5 losses will be 10 losses and make us a 4 seed. We beat ourselves tonight. We will get bounced from the tourney early. We don’t have freshmen with the “potential” to score 25 a game. What’s next?

Always counted an Sec tourny loss…so 13-5 is 9 losses and will still get us a 4 seed…maybe they will give us the worst 3 seed instead of top 4 seed…maybe that will make all the difference…
if I said 10 and it is 9 then my bad, i added a loss…but you kept trying to argue semantics..you also see us as a 5 loss conference team and that won’t be enough to win the Sec…anything else

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

2 fouls is not foul trouble for a proven player…and he ends the night with the same two fouls lol…
basketball 101 is you know who to trust and who you can’t…Vescovi can be trusted to play with fouls…if you or Barnes can’t figure that out then keep losing games you could win

Shouldn’t he have been trusted to not pick up the 2nd foul immediately after the 2nd media time out?

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

Always counted an Sec tourny loss…so 13-5 is 9 losses and will still get us a 4 seed…maybe they will give us the worst 3 seed instead of top 4 seed…maybe that will make all the difference…
if I said 10 and it is 9 then my bad, i added a loss…but you kept trying to argue semantics..you also see us as a 5 loss conference team and that won’t be enough to win the Sec…anything else

13-5 won the SEC for Devoe.

 

[volplaya8]

Shouldn’t he have been trusted to not pick up the 2nd foul immediately after the 2nd media time out?

Should have been trusted to play with 2 fouls in first half or 3 in second half…but if we had the depth and freshmen we thought we had it wouldn’t matter…it becomes exponentially more important to trust him out there when we are really only 8 deep and one of those is Gainey…the depth we thought we had is non existent

 

[volplaya8]

13-5 won the SEC for Devoe.

A tie when everybody played each other more before conference expanded…just hard to see Kentucky losing 5 times unless we can sweep them (might not even if we do)…I think we know how tough that can be though

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

Should have been trusted to play with 2 fouls in first half or 3 in second half…but if we had the depth and freshmen we thought we had it wouldn’t matter…it becomes exponentially more important to trust him out there when we are really only 8 deep and one of those is Gainey…the depth we thought we had is non existent

He wouldn’t have been able to guard Hubbard as aggressively with 2 fouls and 30 minutes left to play.

UT was tied inside of a minute, on the road, versus a very good team with some great players. Your takes are really bad.

 

[joevols89]

A tie when everybody played each other more before conference expanded…just hard to see Kentucky losing 5 times unless we can sweep them, might not even if we do…I think we know how tough that can be though

Yeah I think since we moved to 18 games it may have only happened once where 13-5 was good enough.

 

[volplaya8]

He wouldn’t have been able to guard Hubbard as aggressively with 2 fouls and 30 minutes left to play.

UT was tied inside of a minute, on the road, versus a very good team with some great players. Your takes are really bad.

My takes are spot on…your takes reek of bias which is great elsewhere but in a vols forum we should be able to be real about our own to one another…

glad we can agree it’s sad we don’t have a freshman as good as a freshman coming of the bench for an 8-10 seed at best

 

[volplaya8]

Yeah I think since we moved to 18 games it may have only happened once where 13-5 was good enough.

Yeah…to feel really confident in winning the Sec we probably needed to get to that first UK game undefeated…we still have a good shot as one game is only one game but I think there are better teams than MsSt on the horizon and unfortunately can see a repeat of a game like this out of us 2-3 more times as well…we are a good team, but I did not sign up for 13-5 and double digit loss seasons after tournament play with this group

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

A tie when everybody played each other more before conference expanded…just hard to see Kentucky losing 5 times unless we can sweep them (might not even if we do)…I think we know how tough that can be though

The expanded NCAAT field mostly added mid-majors and below. Basically a lot of the top 32 teams started playing bad opponents in the first round instead of getting byes. Other than winning the SECT automatic bid in 1979, Devoe had fields of 48, 52, 53, and 64.

 

[BisonVol]

Well that’s on you…if you think MSST is a bonafide Sweet 16 team and we won’t face similar or better team to get there then I am not sure what to say.

Mississippi State is a top 25 caliber team and we were on the road. It’s a long season. Even great teams lose on the road against top 25 caliber teams. That’s what you fail to understand. Whether or not Ms St makes the sweet sixteen or not isn’t worth a plugged nickel. All the metrics suggest they are a top 25 team and it was a road game. If you don’t expect to lose a couple of those kind of games and if you don’t see that this is on paper one of our toughest conference games, then you’re living in fantasy land. Which I think we’ve already determined that’s where you reside.

Did we beat ourselves tonight with a lousy start? Yes. Did we lose to a team we are better than? Yes. In a long season, just about everybody is going to lose to multiple teams they are better than at some point. See Houston, Purdue, and Kansas. Winning on the road is frickin’ hard in college basketball against decent teams. To save us both some back and forth, to the ignore list you go.

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

My takes are spot on…your takes reek of bias which is great elsewhere but in a vols forum we should be able to be real about our own to one another…

glad we can agree it’s sad we don’t have a freshman as good as a freshman coming of the bench for an 8-10 seed at best

We have very capable freshmen. But the best players get the minutes and they are the upperclassmen. The upperclassmen are the guys that have been getting coached by Barnes for several years. Another bad take by you. And despite your denial and lack of self awareness, you’ve had a lot of them tonight.

 

[volplaya8]

The expanded NCAAT field mostly added mid-majors and below. Basically a lot of the top 32 teams started playing bad opponents in the first round instead of getting byes. Other than winning the SECT automatic bid in 1979, Devoe had fields of 48, 52, 53, and 64.

I’m talking about Sec expansion man…good grief…they had losses to spread out on a lower number of teams then so 13-5 meant something…there was no talk of ncaa tournament…look at first sentence…CONFERENCE EXPANSION…it was an 18 game schedule then so you played the other 9 teams twice…now your schedule may miss a double up game with vols, uk, auburn etc…so easier to navigate better records than 13-5

 

[volplaya8]

Mississippi State is a top 25 caliber team and we were on the road. It’s a long season. Even great teams lose on the road against top 25 caliber teams. That’s what you fail to understand. Whether or not Ms St makes the sweet sixteen or not isn’t worth a plugged nickel. All the metrics suggest they are a top 25 team and it was a road game. If you don’t expect to lose a couple of those kind of games and if you don’t see that this is on paper one of our toughest conference games, then you’re living in fantasy land. Which I think we’ve already determined that’s where you reside.

Did we beat ourselves tonight with a lousy start? Yes. Did we lose to a team we are better than? Yes. In a long season, just about everybody is going to lose to multiple teams they are better than at some point. See Houston, Purdue, and Kansas. Winning on the road is frickin’ hard in college basketball against decent teams. To save us both some back and forth, to the ignore list you go.

Nothing like finally coming to terms with agreeing with me then putting me on ignore..must be tough to know I was right the entire time…glad you finally came around


again it has next to nothing to do with MsSt or the result of this one game itself..we have seen this over and over every year and most are not pleased with how our seasons have ended…if we continue this then it’s just going to be another season like the rest

 

[volplaya8]

We have very capable freshmen. But the best players get the minutes and they are the upperclassmen. The upperclassmen are the guys that have been getting coached by Barnes for several years. Another bad take by you. And despite your denial and lack of self awareness, you’ve had a lot of them tonight.

If you don’t have freshmen better than Gainey…then they have a long long way to go…that only leaves 7 players and 2 bigs…you are delusional..at least you love the vols but letting it blind you is not a good way to go about things…if you can’t handle in house correct assessments of the team I would hate to see how you handled a non vol fan

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

I’m talking about Sec expansion man…good grief…they had losses to spread out on a lower number of teams then so 13-5 meant something…there was no talk of ncaa tournament…look at first sentence…CONFERENCE EXPANSION…it was an 18 game schedule then so you played the other 9 teams twice…now your schedule may miss a double up game with vols, uk, auburn etc…so easier to navigate better records than 13-5

Kentucky is historically the best SEC team by far and they might be the best SEC team this year. They are on the schedule 2x. Every year.

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

If you don’t have freshmen better than Gainey…then they have a long long way to go

Gainey has a lot of experience and was playing at a high level early on. He’s in a severe shooting slump, but as an upperclassman (and coach’s son) it’s not a stretch to say he makes better decisions and blows fewer defensive assignments at this point of the season. Also, Dilione has battled injury.

 

[volplaya8]

Kentucky is historically the best SEC team by far and they might be the best SEC team this year. They are on the schedule 2x. Every year.

What can you not comprehend..omg dude..I’m saying overall…we all do not play equal schedules like they did before expansion…like we don’t play MsSt twice…Kentucky may not play alabama twice..so on and so forth……I know we play Kentucky twice dude…I’m saying the rest of our 16 games are not identical to theirs…before it would have been

 

[volplaya8]

Gainey has a lot of experience and was playing at a high level early on. He’s in a severe shooting slump, but as an upperclassman (and coach’s son) it’s not a stretch to say he makes better decisions and blows fewer defensive assignments at this point of the season. Also, Dilione has battled injury.

Well that’s one guy who has been with the program for over a year now…Gainey also does not play great defense and would warrant even less time in his shooting slump if any of the bench guys were truly ready…why are you trying to defend each and everything…either the freshman are better than Gainey (who is doing next to nothing) or they simply are not ready…as for the big men freshmen..they aren’t even close yet you let Olivier walk to bring in what…Gainey for an extra guard we don’t really need

Gainey is going to have to step it up big time…and I don’t mean just hitting a few shots…I mean consistently better on both sides of the court and reliable scoring for about 5-7 games to earn any trust

again this is between vols fans only…if a uk fan ask about him…he is Bernard King level…hahahaha

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

Well that’s one guy who has been with the program for over a year now…Gainey also does not play great defense and would warrant even less time in his shooting slump if any of the bench guys were truly ready…why are you trying to defend each and everything…either the freshman are better than Gainey (who is doing next to nothing) or they simply are not ready…as for the big men freshmen..they aren’t even close yet you let Olivier walk to bring in what…Gainey for an extra guard we don’t really need

Gainey is going to have to step it up big time…and I don’t mean just hitting a few shots…I mean consistently better on both sides of the court and reliable scoring for about 5-7 games to earn any trust

again this is between vols fans only…if a uk fan ask about him…he is Bernard King level…hahahaha

It is a small miracle that ZZ is back as fast as he is. His probable absence is why Gainey was a needed addition. Gainey played very well early on - before ZZ was up to speed. And Dilione was expected to be another option at PG, but his injury/condition has been debilitating. Hilarious that now somebody is complaining about not retaining Olivier after he was bashed all of last year.

You might be too myopic to see that UT’s best teams usually have the older players getting the majority of the minutes. Johnson and Springer are two of the most talented players on a roster at UT in a decade or more. Their team lost a lot of games that year.

You’re all over the place with your complaints. This is the Barnes discussion thread. Sitting Santi with 2 fouls wasn’t a horrible decision. Not throwing freshmen onto the court in that environment versus their talent wasn’t a horrible decision. UT managed to tie up the game inside of a minute after being behind by 15 earlier. The players had opportunities but failed to close it out. Missed free throws. ZZ’s late missed 3-pointer. Knecht losing the ball on the last possession. Giving up the basket AND fouling giving MSU their final lead. It happens. It’s not the NCAAT.

This is probably one of the 3 most difficult games in the conference regular season. There won’t be another post player as good as those we faced in the loses again until after the regular season. I wasn’t expecting a 16-2 conference record. 13-5 wouldn’t be a disaster.

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

What can you not comprehend..omg dude..I’m saying overall…we all do not play equal schedules like they did before expansion…like we don’t play MsSt twice…Kentucky may not play alabama twice..so on and so forth……I know we play Kentucky twice dude…I’m saying the rest of our 16 games are not identical to theirs…before it would have been

Calm down. You were arguing how it was harder for Devoe to get an NCAAT bid than it is for Barnes. 13-5. Smaller NCAAT field. Your complaints are all over the map.

 

[BernardKingGOAT]

I love Barnes....but....jesus....same crap every year

Not winning every single game is a problem

 

[BernardKingGOAT]

Just so everybody knows, number one has the exact same problem we do and a fan base that is more sick of it. This is not about this one game and the fact it happens time to time. It is the fact this happens about 5 times a year to Barnes including once when it really matters. Until he overcomes this people are going to get sick of seeing the exact same thing year after year.

Uh huh. People that haven't got a clue