Rick Barnes discussion (merged)

[johnfnkelly]

The whole “salary” argument is old and invaluable to this discussion.

Not really. You pay your coach for the results your receiving. Simple business. We’re not getting a good ROI in return.

 

[johnfnkelly]

I’m sure volfreakjosh is a rational guy. Hopefully he sees the light soon. Change is uncomfortable at times but it’s necessary.

 

[ColinS]

I wonder if some of Barnes success left with certain assistant coaches.

It's really starting to seem that way. The most glaring indicator is the lack of player development since a certain coach went to Georgia State.

 

[volsforever27]

I can't believe certain posters on here are still arguing that salary shouldn't matter. That's one of the dumbest arguments I've seen on here, which is quite an accomplishment.

If you tease leaving, get a raise, and get lackluster results, see what happens in any other job. Barnes deserves praise for what he's done, but the criticism is just as valid.

Get paid top 5, you expect top 5 results. I can't believe this is even an argument.

 

[volsforever27]

Double post

 

[orange_glory]

85 criticizes Barnes chronically. He’s obsessed with it and it’s dumb.

I'm afraid there will be more criticism to come if things don't turn around in a big way. Beating KY was one of the few cards Barnes had left.

 

[docholiday]

I can't believe certain posters on here are still arguing that salary shouldn't matter. That's one of the dumbest arguments I've seen on here, which is quite an accomplishment.

If you tease leaving, get a raise, and get lackluster results, see what happens in any other job. Barnes deserves praise for what he's done, but the criticism is just as valid.

Get paid top 5, you expect top 5 results. I can't believe this is even an argument.

Have you seen the posts by the masses inside this forum? Remember the Cuonzo defenders? You really can't make this sh----- up.

 

[1985Vols]

I can't believe certain posters on here are still arguing that salary shouldn't matter. That's one of the dumbest arguments I've seen on here, which is quite an accomplishment.

If you tease leaving, get a raise, and get lackluster results, see what happens in any other job. Barnes deserves praise for what he's done, but the criticism is just as valid.

Get paid top 5, you expect top 5 results. I can't believe this is even an argument.

Yes! Thank you!

 

[Rememberthelate90s]

I look for effort. I just don’t see it. Haven’t in three years. Especially as the season goes. Energy just isn’t there. I won’t pay to watch another Tennessee game until I see it change.

 

[SGMVols]

I can't believe certain posters on here are still arguing that salary shouldn't matter. That's one of the dumbest arguments I've seen on here, which is quite an accomplishment.

If you tease leaving, get a raise, and get lackluster results, see what happens in any other job. Barnes deserves praise for what he's done, but the criticism is just as valid.

Get paid top 5, you expect top 5 results. I can't believe this is even an argument.

I’ll be sure to let Danny White know to only spend $100,000 on the next coach then - since by this logic, you will be ok with being a bottom feeder as long as we’re paying a bargain bin salary.

 

[1985Vols]

85 criticizes Barnes chronically. He’s obsessed with it and it’s dumb.

Call me dumb if you want, however, Barnes has won 63%of his games, has 1 sweet 16 and 1 regular season championship. If that’s worth being paid the 5 th highest salary in college basketball , I guess I am missing something. For those that want to say UT has never won anything in basketball, I challenge you to do your own research and check out our history and compare Barnes winning % to past coaches. We are NOT getting our ROI as another poster stated, and if we are willing to pay top 5 money for a coach, I guarantee we can do better. We have great resources and support. Now all we need is a great coach

 

[volsforever27]

I’ll be sure to let Danny White know to only spend $100,000 on the next coach then - since by this logic, you will be ok with being a bottom feeder as long as we’re paying a bargain bin salary.

Please point out anywhere I said that. I'll be waiting a while, I think.

Holding a coach accountable is ok, I promise. If we reward him for doing well, I believe criticism is warranted when he doesn't live up to his salary.

It's called a job.

 

[UTK]

And we all know realistically neither of those things is going to happen, unless, BHH develops into a superstar by March

Yup. Why I'm adamant it's time for change. Glad he made UT basketball relevant again and had some good wins. And a conference championship. But last season was a massive disappointment. This is on track to be an even bigger disappointment.

 

[Pmarav23]

I d rather have a good team then go find some coach like Buzz Peterson when the fans wanted rid of Jerry Green. Green just took them to 4 NCAA tourneys in 4 years...but of course that's not good enough , so lets go get Buzz and they are no good. Barnes will coach here till he decides to call it quits. I don't like watching the style of play but it is what it is. The is pron one of the top 15 to 20 coaches in the Ncaa. He has won everywhere he has been so obviously he knows s what he is doing. Especially more than fans who have never coached a game ever.

 

[I4Vols]

Call me dumb if you want, however, Barnes has won 63%of his games, has 1 sweet 16 and 1 regular season championship. If that’s worth being paid the 5 th highest salary in college basketball , I guess I am missing something. For those that want to say UT has never won anything in basketball, I challenge you to do your own research and check out our history and compare Barnes winning % to past coaches. We are NOT getting our ROI as another poster stated, and if we are willing to pay top 5 money for a coach, I guarantee we can do better. We have great resources and support. Now all we need is a great coach

Remind me, which three dudes would you be happy with? Reasonable gets... no Grudenesks
Serious question. I wasn't happy with Barnes entertaining UCLA, but I'm not interested in doing what we did in football for 10+ years either.

 

[Pmarav23]

Barnes is a HOF coach because of what he did PRIOR to Tennessee. He’s done nothing here. He will leave UT with the same March accolades as Cuonzo, who everybody wanted fired.

True but he won't be fired. Cuonzo is not the near the coach Barnes is. The records speak for themselves. Plus I don't think he will coach that much more before he retires. Two or three more seasons. I mean if they get rid of him , who is a upgrade? Surely not Florida's coach the Ad s brother. He would prob be the favorite. I d take Barnes anyday over him.

 

[BreatheUT]

Whatever, he’s the best coach we have had since Ray Mears

F that cheat.

 

[SpendToWinVol]

You would think our 5 mil hall of fame coach would have built better off those teams. SMH

Barnes is what he is at this point. A good but not great coach

 

[Namorto1]

Not really. You pay your coach for the results your receiving. Simple business. We’re not getting a good ROI in return.

Don’t buy this argument. I employ over 50 staff and there is a certain percentage of my staff that I would consider are overpaid, but it is a competitive labor market and to a certain extent I pay staff for retention, continuity, and I have made promises to customers and can’t continually look for replacement employees as it can take at least 6 months and up to 2 years for me to hire someone who is equally productive.

Barnes is paid what he is paid. He negotiated this salary in an open market with consenting responsible parties who executed a legally binding contract. There isn’t anyone on this board who is any worse off based on what Barnes is paid. Evaluate Barnes on the state of the program, wins/losses, on and off the court progress and how he represents the university. That is all fair game. What he is paid is irrelevant to me.

You let someone go simply because you think they are paid to much, you better be careful because who you replace them with offer no assurances. Could be a worse product or service. Further we attempt to run off, given our recent track record and given the degree of respect he has in the coaching community, the likelihood that we would have proven coaches (at major conference) to line up for this job I expect would be limited.

 

[Vol4life2]

And the better coach.

He still isn’t our coach today nor will he be tomorrow.

 

[AthensVol2007]

I’m sure volfreakjosh is a rational guy. Hopefully he sees the light soon. Change is uncomfortable at times but it’s necessary.

He’s one of the most emotional yet substance-less posters on here. It’s all opinion based and conjecture at the end of the day on here but at least provide some reasoning for your opinion. His posts are like grits with no butter, salt or pepper. Typical posting scenario is something like the following:

Poster: BHH needs to get some run to try and develop him.

VolFreak: BHH is overrated, UK didn’t want him.

Poster: Barnes needs to do some soul searching before this thing gets away from us.

VolFreak: You’re clueless

Poster: Fulky has been a disappointment at the start of SEC play.

VolFreak: Whine some more or go read RuppRafters

 

[johnfnkelly]

Don’t buy this argument. I employ over 50 staff and there is a certain percentage of my staff that I would consider are overpaid, but it is a competitive labor market and to a certain extent I pay staff for retention, continuity, and I have made promises to customers and can’t continually look for replacement employees as it can take at least 6 months and up to 2 years for me to hire someone who is equally productive.

Barnes is paid what he is paid. He negotiated this salary in an open market with consenting responsible parties who executed a legally binding contract. There isn’t anyone on this board who is any worse off based on what Barnes is paid. Evaluate Barnes on the state of the program, wins/losses, on and off the court progress and how he represents the university. That is all fair game. What he is paid is irrelevant to me.

You let someone go simply because you think they are paid to much, you better be careful because who you replace them with offer no assurances. Could be a worse product or service. Further we attempt to run off, given our recent track record and given the degree of respect he has in the coaching community, the likelihood that we would have proven coaches (at major conference) to line up for this job I expect would be limited.

If we fired Barnes, how many P6 programs would be clawing to hire him? He’s a top 5 paid coach, so one would assume he’s top 15 minimum level coach. No program in that level would even look at him.

 

[rocketskates]

Do any of you guys think maybe there’s too many potential stars on the team? I mean the year with Schofield and Williams had a roster full of 3 stars, but those guys played TOGETHER and developed.

 

[Namorto1]

If we fired Barnes, how many P6 programs would be clawing to hire him? He’s a top 5 paid coach, so one would assume he’s top 15 minimum level coach. No program in that level would even look at him.

Really wasn’t UCLA within the last year or so ready to hire him? Guess we will never know because Barnes isn’t going anywhere anytime soon. He retires here or he leaves on his own terms.

 

[Tnphil]

I can't believe certain posters on here are still arguing that salary shouldn't matter. That's one of the dumbest arguments I've seen on here, which is quite an accomplishment.

If you tease leaving, get a raise, and get lackluster results, see what happens in any other job. Barnes deserves praise for what he's done, but the criticism is just as valid.

Get paid top 5, you expect top 5 results. I can't believe this is even an argument.

There are supporters and fans of the team and then there are supporters...fans and lovers of the coach no matter what. It's easy to see who is who on here..