Rick Barnes discussion (merged)

#877
#877
Namorto1 said:
Really wasn’t UCLA within the last year or so ready to hire him? Guess we will never know because Barnes isn’t going anywhere anytime soon. He retires here or he leaves on his own terms.
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Coming off the grant Williams team. How bout now? Ucla was desperate at the time.
 
#878
#878
1985Vols said:
Call me dumb if you want, however, Barnes has won 63%of his games, has 1 sweet 16 and 1 regular season championship. If that’s worth being paid the 5 th highest salary in college basketball , I guess I am missing something. For those that want to say UT has never won anything in basketball, I challenge you to do your own research and check out our history and compare Barnes winning % to past coaches. We are NOT getting our ROI as another poster stated, and if we are willing to pay top 5 money for a coach, I guarantee we can do better. We have great resources and support. Now all we need is a great coach
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Preachin to the choir. The SS Pumpers are content with gettin to the dance and watchin after 1 or 2. If you want more u must be a TROLL. Loser mentality wins.
 
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volsforever27 said:
I can't believe certain posters on here are still arguing that salary shouldn't matter. That's one of the dumbest arguments I've seen on here, which is quite an accomplishment.

If you tease leaving, get a raise, and get lackluster results, see what happens in any other job. Barnes deserves praise for what he's done, but the criticism is just as valid.

Get paid top 5, you expect top 5 results. I can't believe this is even an argument.
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Seems like most disagree because we aren’t a traditionally good basketball program so in turn we are forced to overpay for lesser results
 
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#882
I4Vols said:
Remind me, which three dudes would you be happy with? Reasonable gets... no Grudenesks
Serious question. I wasn't happy with Barnes entertaining UCLA, but I'm not interested in doing what we did in football for 10+ years either.
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I'm still waiting for someone to answer this challenge. Seriously, not ragging on you. Maybe this helps you... cull from these teams:
2021-22 Men's College Basketball Rankings for Week 10 | ESPN
or this list
The 25 Highest-Paid Coaches in College Basketball
 
#883
#883
Rememberthelate90s said:
I look for effort. I just don’t see it. Haven’t in three years. Especially as the season goes. Energy just isn’t there. I won’t pay to watch another Tennessee game until I see it change.
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I think the problem stems from the vets JJJ, Bailey, and Fulkerson not improving much since their arrival, and none of them are alphas either.

It was the same way last year relying on the freshmen
 
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Namorto1 said:
Don’t buy this argument. I employ over 50 staff and there is a certain percentage of my staff that I would consider are overpaid, but it is a competitive labor market and to a certain extent I pay staff for retention, continuity, and I have made promises to customers and can’t continually look for replacement employees as it can take at least 6 months and up to 2 years for me to hire someone who is equally productive.

Barnes is paid what he is paid. He negotiated this salary in an open market with consenting responsible parties who executed a legally binding contract. There isn’t anyone on this board who is any worse off based on what Barnes is paid. Evaluate Barnes on the state of the program, wins/losses, on and off the court progress and how he represents the university. That is all fair game. What he is paid is irrelevant to me.

You let someone go simply because you think they are paid to much, you better be careful because who you replace them with offer no assurances. Could be a worse product or service. Further we attempt to run off, given our recent track record and given the degree of respect he has in the coaching community, the likelihood that we would have proven coaches (at major conference) to line up for this job I expect would be limited.
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Are you paying your employees top 5 in the industry money?

There is a difference in overpaying some employees vs being an industry leader in pay.
 
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#885
SpendToWinVol said:
I think the problem stems from the vets JJJ, Bailey, and Fulkerson not improving much since their arrival, and none of them are alphas either.
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I look and see a team that just doesn’t seem energetic. Seems like last 3 years it’s been like that. They appear to get worse the more each team plays.
 
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Vols8086 said:
Are you paying your employees top 5 in the industry money?

There is a difference in overpaying some employees vs being an industry leader in pay.
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Relative to the industry and talent available in the geographic area (my company is incorporated in Charleston, SC), yes I do. In fact I’m paying the highest wages in the area. I could find less talented and lower waged staff, but the quality of our work would suffer. If UT wants to pay a top 30-40 salary for a coach I expect we wouldn’t even smell the NCAA tournament. Given this, I’m not satisfied with what we have seen on the court these past 1 1/2 seasons but I’m not on the bandwagon of fans who want to get rid of Barnes either. Not assuming you are one of those fans, but in my opinion the discussion around what Barnes makes makes no sense. Evaluate him on what matters, not what he makes.
 
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#887
johnfnkelly said:
Because basketball is just a distraction to make time go faster till football season for a lot of Vol fans.
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While I get what you're saying, that's also a load of BS. There's plenty of fans that are just as passionate for UT basketball. Hell my generation and younger, UT basketball has by far been the more revelant program. It's not acceptable to look at UT basketball as a distraction. We have all the resources to be elite in basketball.
 
#889
#889
Looking like a NIT team at best, so tired watching players ditch the ball off when they are open, it's like they are afraid to shoot, to me it looks like Barns has this team so handcuffed. Look what he did to Durant he should have never lost a game with that team.
 
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#890
UTK said:
While I get what you're saying, that's also a load of BS. There's plenty of fans that are just as passionate for UT basketball. Hell my generation and younger, UT basketball has by far been the more revelant program. It's not acceptable to look at UT basketball as a distraction. We have all the resources to be elite in basketball.
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There are a lot of passionate BB fans. I’m 25 and grew up in central Indiana. My dad influenced me to love our basketball program way before I began supporting the football side. I’ve met more vol fans that don’t have near the same passion for the basketball program than they do for both. As long as they’re semi competitive then that’s ok for a lot of a Vol fans. Not me. Tenn has as much potential in basketball than any non blue blood program out there. Barnes isn’t going to give us that.
 
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#891
#891
Devoe was run off for Wade Houston.

Jerry Green was run off for Buzz.

Cuonzo was run off for Donnie.

Fulmer was run off for Kiffin, Dooley, Butch, and Pruitt.

It’s ironic when Phil says it on the Basilio Clown Show, but “Dumbest Fan Base in America” is reasonable. But then again, we’re dealing with a vocal minority spewing their nonsense.
 
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Barnes strikes me as late term Fulmer. Built the program up, enjoyed the fruits of that effort, and now in coast mode. Barnes peaked with the Admiral/Williams team. Fulmer of course peaked a bit higher.

That said, we fired Fulmer and made a decent hire that by a odd string of circumstances turned out poorly. We then panicked and made a lousy hire, then made another and then another.

Point is, Barnes is a stable coach, but a very complacent and obstinate one. He does need to go, but that exit must be planned thoroughly. His replacement needs to be lined up. If that isn’t in place, then firing him is a fools move.
 
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#893
1985Vols said:
As a fan , I’m tired of the continued mediocre results from a supposed Hall of Fame coach that is one of the top 5 paid coaches in the country. I just pointed out in another post that Barnes and axon DeVoe are basically equals as far as what their accomplishments are at UT
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Which month did Devoe have TN ranked #1 in the country?

Mediocre teams don’t live in the top 25.

Do you even realize that the 1979 SECT required Devoe to win all of 2 games in a 10 team league?

You continue to prove how obsessed you are with Barnes and his salary that UCLA was willing to pay.
 
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#894
I4Vols said:
Remind me, which three dudes would you be happy with? Reasonable gets... no Grudenesks
Serious question. I wasn't happy with Barnes entertaining UCLA, but I'm not interested in doing what we did in football for 10+ years either.
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If we’re paying top 5 money, you’ll have plenty of options. One of my first calls would be Nate Oates since Danny White hired him at Buffalo
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
Which month did Devoe have TN ranked #1 in the country?

Mediocre teams don’t live in the top 25.

Do you even realize that the 1979 SECT required Devoe to win all of 2 games in a 10 team league?

You continue to prove how obsessed you are with Barnes and his salary that UCLA was willing to pay.
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ProvE to me that Barnes has accomplished more than DeVoe. So what, we were ranked #1 for a month or so and then completely underperformed in the NCAAT.
 
#897
#897
1985Vols said:
If we’re paying top 5 money, you’ll have plenty of options. One of my first calls would be Nate Oates since Danny White hired him at Buffalo
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If you think there’s any chance Oats would leave Alabama for UT, you’re even more of an idiot than I previously thought.
 
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#899
SGMVols said:
If you think there’s any chance Oats would leave Alabama for UT, you’re even more of an idiot than I previously thought.
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Haha. If you don’t think Nate Oates wouldn’t leave Bama for $2M more you’re the biggest idiot on this board
 
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