Rick Barnes discussion (merged)

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MadisonvilleVol said:
Does that also mean that Barnes has coached greatness into ZZ?
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You know why JJJ was so open - because they knew he wouldn’t make it. Come on man. Get real. Lord.
That’s such a bad take.

JJJ isn’t the guy.

Should just let Zz drive.

Thus is Barnes freaking team - good bad indifferent. He built it. He put it together and Rich Barnes is making in excess of 5 mill per year. Now he isn’t earning it. But that’s what he is being paid.

That offense is all Barnes as is the defense. And so is TN’s record during his tenure.
 
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patrick said:
You know why JJJ was so open - because they knew he wouldn’t make it. Come on man. Get real. Lord.
That’s such a bad take.

JJJ isn’t the guy.

Should just let Zz drive.

Thus is Barnes freaking team - good bad indifferent. He built it. He put it together and Rich Barnes is making in excess of 5 mill per year. Now he isn’t earning it. But that’s what he is being paid.

That offense is all Barnes as is the defense. And so is TN’s record during his tenure.
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Huh? You said Barnes had coached the greatness out of Chandler so I just asked if it worked both ways and Barnes gets credit for coaching it into ZZ and you type that essay? Didn’t figure you’d answer
 
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JRVOL11 said:
What do you think Chandler would be doing for Auburn or Kentucky right now? He’d be a lock for the lottery with those teams
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I’m not so sure he would be. He turns the ball over at an extremely high rate for a PG. Too careless with the ball. That’s why Barnes has had him on the bench in crunch time and ZZ takes over. It’s happened more than once now.
 
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Voltime123 said:
Oh but I thought we were wanting to get rid of Barnes?
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Just because Barnes leaves does not mean the next coach will suck. I agree it needs to be handled well, something Tennessee never does, but if it is, Barnes has us at a decent level where many coaches would jump at the job.

Barnes peaked with Admiral and Grant. He is deserving of respect, but not blind devotion.
 
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MadisonvilleVol said:
Huh? You said Barnes had coached the greatness out of Chandler so I just asked if it worked both ways and Barnes gets credit for coaching it into ZZ and you type that essay? Didn’t figure you’d answer
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Oh I’m sorry. Maybe this answer is better.

Barnes is the best coach in history. He has no responsibility for this loss or any other Tennessee loss. He is not to blame for his teams’ less than stellar performance in the NCAAT. The losses are squarely the fault of the players not the coach - not the guy who makes 5+ million per year.

Certainly not on the coach who designed a play to shoot a 3 pt shot instead of 2 pt play when the margin is 1 pt. But I digress. Barnes is the best. So much better than TN has ever had or has ever deserved.

Is that better?
 
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patrick said:
Oh I’m sorry. Maybe this answer is better.

Barnes is the best coach in history. He has no responsibility for this loss or any other Tennessee loss. He is not to blame for his teams’ less than stellar performance in the NCAAT. The losses are squarely the fault of the players not the coach - not the guy who makes 5+ million per year.

Certainly not on the coach who designed a play to shoot a 3 pt shot instead of 2 pt play when the margin is 1 pt. But I digress. Barnes is the best. So much better than TN has ever had or has ever deserved.

Is that better?
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About what I expected….
 
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Some folks in here want to fire Barnes after every loss, and some in here are blindly devoted to him no matter what. Very few of us in the middle.

Barnes strikes me as Fulmer circa 2003. He peaked awhile ago, and is playing out the string. Talent come in and “fails to develop” (to use an old (Fulmerism). I don’t think Barnes is as devoted to the cash teat as Phil Paycheck seems to be, so I hope his exit is more dignified. He deserves it.
 
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patrick said:
Oh I’m sorry. Maybe this answer is better.

Barnes is the best coach in history. He has no responsibility for this loss or any other Tennessee loss. He is not to blame for his teams’ less than stellar performance in the NCAAT. The losses are squarely the fault of the players not the coach - not the guy who makes 5+ million per year.

Certainly not on the coach who designed a play to shoot a 3 pt shot instead of 2 pt play when the margin is 1 pt. But I digress. Barnes is the best. So much better than TN has ever had or has ever deserved.

Is that better?
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You forgot to mention we should hire another cuonzo and Tyndall instead but you make a great point…
 
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VolInNW said:
Some folks in here want to fire Barnes after every loss, and some in here are blindly devoted to him no matter what. Very few of us in the middle.

Barnes strikes me as Fulmer circa 2003. He peaked awhile ago, and is playing out the string. Talent come in and “fails to develop” (to use an old (Fulmerism). I don’t think Barnes is as devoted to the cash teat as Phil Paycheck seems to be, so I hope his exit is more dignified. He deserves it.
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Fulmer was an amazing AD too
 
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Voltime123 said:
You forgot to mention we should hire another cuonzo and Tyndall instead but you make a great point…
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As if I ever said TN should hire another Zo or Tyndall because I never did.

Tennessee is a destination. Pearl put TN back on the landscape.

That said, as a friend of mine just said, “Barnes is just coaching out the string.”

I just hope that he doesn’t run in a ditch like Fulmer before he retires or is let go.
 
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VolInNW said:
Just because Barnes leaves does not mean the next coach will suck. I agree it needs to be handled well, something Tennessee never does, but if it is, Barnes has us at a decent level where many coaches would jump at the job.

Barnes peaked with Admiral and Grant. He is deserving of respect, but not blind devotion.
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I think Tennessee is a great opportunity for any coach.
 
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patrick said:
As if I ever said TN should hire another Zo or Tyndall because I never did.

Tennessee is a destination. Pearl put TN back on the landscape.

That said, as a friend of mine just said, “Barnes is just coaching out the string.”

I just hope that he doesn’t run in a ditch like Fulmer before he retires or is let go.
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Oh so you don’t have any more input to the discussion other than to say you want Barnes gone…gotcha we understand, so are you going to continue to post about how we should get rid of him every thread and do we need to continue acknowledging the same post in every thread? Because I feel like we have heard that already why continue to say the same thing over and over again?
 
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I'm not as hard on Barnes as many are but he played leaving for greener pastures to get big money. Top tier money. I don't think it unreasonable expectations get higher. That kind of money is reserved for contenders, coaches that can deliver Sweet 16+ caliber teams at a somewhat consistent level. We've yet to see that level of team or play since his contract. He asked for the big money, big expectations come with that. It's a fair criticism IMO.
 
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