Rick Barnes discussion (merged)

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whobethis16 said:
He also is serving a 10 year ban for cheating. The fascination some people on this board have for the slime of college basketball is hilarious.
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I am simply talking about his coaching ability in practice and in game situations, so you can unclutch those pearls and step away from the fainting couch. I said he had off the court issues. Certain posters made a claim that he wasn't a capable coach or recruiter. He did both very well. He did however commit the cardinal sin of cheating at a small school. Do that and the NCAA makes an example of you.
 
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VolGee4 said:
Tyndall had a pro…I don’t know how else to say it. Barnes did not. I guess we just gloss over that.

I am one that was on record saying Tyndall was a good floor coach. But he also had a pro PG with Punter playing off the ball. Punter played PG under Barnes and got hurt. All facts.
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Then we agree. Tyndall was a good floor/gameday prep coach. That's all I said.
 
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VolArmy74 said:
Tyndall is a good basketball coach. If people can't see that, I can't help it. Bad basketball coaches don't win 20+ games 6 times and beat Rick Pitino in the NCAA tournament with a small school.
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Part of being a “good” college basketball coach is running a program (recruiting, administrative aspects). Unfortunately, Tyndall could only handle the X & O’s part. He was a complete train wreck at handling the rest.
 
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VolArmy74 said:
Then we agree. Tyndall was a good floor/gameday prep coach. That's all I said.
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Yea, but you don’t have to bring down Barnes to do it- lol. Those aren’t mutually exclusive.

I also don’t consider Tyndall a great recruiter. He was indeed in a tough spot, but I don’t think we were going to be recruiting many top 75 players.
 
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31VFL said:
Part of being a “good” college basketball coach is running a program (recruiting, administrative aspects). Unfortunately, Tyndall could only handle the X & O’s part. He was a complete train wreck at handling the rest.
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Part of being a good college coach is following arbitrarily enforced rules by an inconsistent governing body that is steeped in corruption itself, that will happily turn a blind eye to cheating at certain programs and nail coaches for daring to do it at others. Tyndall's off the court academic related issues paled in comparison to what went on at Syracuse and North Carolina. Boeheim got a small slap on the wrist, Roy got nothing. The NCAA is such a complete clown show mess, I no longer blame any coach for doing whatever they have to to make their break. Big schools do it with reckless abandon and face no consequences.
 
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VolGee4 said:
Yea, but you don’t have to bring down Barnes to do it- lol. Those aren’t mutually exclusive.

I also don’t consider Tyndall a great recruiter. He was indeed in a tough spot, but I don’t think we were going to be recruiting many top 75 players.
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I'm not trying to bring down Barnes. I'm saying it's tough to say Tyndall sucks but Barnes doesn't when they both had similar seasons in the same situation.
 
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VolArmy74 said:
Part of being a good college coach is following arbitrarily enforced rules by an inconsistent governing body that is steeped in corruption itself, that will happily turn a blind eye to cheating at certain programs and nail coaches for daring to do it at others. Tyndall's off the court academic related issues paled in comparison to what went on at Syracuse and North Carolina. Boeheim got a small slap on the wrist, Roy got nothing. The NCAA is such a complete clown show mess, I no longer blame any coach for doing whatever they have to to make their break. Big schools do it with reckless abandon and face no consequences.
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The good coaches understand their position in the hierarchy. Donnie didn’t know his or he didn’t care and leveraged his longevity for as many near term paydays as he could grab. Had he lasted a few years at TN he would have been financially set for life.
 
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patrick said:
Actually Donnie is the head coach at Chipola College. While it’s a junior college, it’s still college Bball. He will get another shot in D1 once his show cause ends.
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Yep....Before that he was coaching in the NBA g league IIRC.
 
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VolArmy74 said:
I am simply talking about his coaching ability in practice and in game situations, so you can unclutch those pearls and step away from the fainting couch. I said he had off the court issues. Certain posters made a claim that he wasn't a capable coach or recruiter. He did both very well. He did however commit the cardinal sin of cheating at a small school. Do that and the NCAA makes an example of you.
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He coached them so well to 4 games in his one season where they scored under 50. Barnes has 3 games his entire time here.
 
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31VFL said:
Part of being a “good” college basketball coach is running a program (recruiting, administrative aspects). Unfortunately, Tyndall could only handle the X & O’s part. He was a complete train wreck at handling the rest.
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So you are saying he was just the opposite of Barnes?
 
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dougvolfan said:
If Tyndall had not screwed up I wonder where we would be right now.
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I doubt we would be anywhere at this level. We struggle to get good football coaches to come to our blue blood program, what makes you think we can get a good bball coach to a program that has NEVER even made a Final Four? Someone said we are a top 35-40 program. I am not sure about that, we cannot hold the jock strap of most the Big East and several Atlantic 10 teams. Even in the SEC, Kentucky, Florida, LSU, Arkansas, Auburn, and Mississippi State are ahead of us, arguably even Georgia and South Carolina who have actually made FFs.
 
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volbound1700 said:
I doubt we would be anywhere at this level. We struggle to get good football coaches to come to our blue blood program, what makes you think we can get a good bball coach to a program that has NEVER even made a Final Four? Someone said we are a top 35-40 program. I am not sure about that, we cannot hold the jock strap of most the Big East and several Atlantic 10 teams. Even in the SEC, Kentucky, Florida, LSU, Arkansas, Auburn, and Mississippi State are ahead of us, arguably even Georgia and South Carolina who have actually made FFs.
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We are top 40 all time in wins. A long stretch of SEC history they did away with the SECT. Only 1 bid was sent. Kentucky got it over us, even in years where we were tied in the regular season standings and beat them head to head. So we've had fewer chances when we had very good teams. Unfortunately a good 20 year stretch of the multiple bid per league era coincided with our biggest downturn in basketball fortunes.
 
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patrick said:
Even Jerry Green did that. And I don’t think he was a good coach.
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He was better than he gets credit for, mainly because the way his final season went. But he's one of the competent coaches we've had. Unfortunately we've rarely had coaches that were above competent and when we did it all just blew to pieces at the end. That's why I hope the Barnes era ends with a feel good retirement rather than another clown show transition.
 
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