Rick Barnes discussion (merged)

Also, college basketball is just terrible to watch in general and it’s hard to watch Tennessee even. The officiating has ruined the sport so bad it’s not worth my time. As plenty of you know I’m a big Michigan fan as well and I haven’t watched them play five games this year. I have better things to do than watch 50-60 something year old college referees with beer belly’s trying to officiate a game that is way too fast for them and then make it about themselves. Just not worth my time.
I don't disagree with your take on the refs. They make it unwatchable at times. No consistency for both teams or even during the course of the game. First half touch fouls. 2nd half prison ball. Not talking about last night's game specifically. But games in general that don't even include Tennessee. Not sure these guys reffing understand what they are watching half of the time.
 
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The biggest gripe most have with Barnes is his lack of postseason success. Winning a game in early February doesn't alter that stance at all. If this team falters and gets embarrassed in March again, this stretch of play becomes totally irrelevant. So you guys might want to hold off on your victory lap.

Aren't we pretty much right where Vegas expected us to be? That's your mantra right when people get too low on the program? Shouldn't that work for both sides of the pendulum swing?
Is it not true that only 1 team succeeds by season’s end? In your sad narrative, that’s the way the vocal minority thinks. It’s really pathetic and sad that you can’t realize that the vast majority of all coaches “underperform” in March. Literally almost every coach underperforms, in your view. Why do you choose to crucify the team you supposedly love?
 
For all the Barnes haters, Barnes is the most stable good coach we have had in years. He may not be a great coach but he is very good. He knows how to coach defense and he relates to his players very well. He can recruit and has developed talent. Please just shut up about Barnes, we won a ton more than we lose and play hard and have good team chemistry. Players got to hit jump shots and get rebounds, the coach can’t do that for them. I remember when we were just happy too make the tourney. We are a fortunate to have a coach like coach Barnes here. And hopefully we have him several more years. His teams don’t always play perfect but they always play hard. GBO!
 
Funny. Posted yesterday before the game. Rather be able to Beach once in a while than continuously parrot,"We right whare dey say we be pre season." Your loser mentality is as droll as the beacher's is.
Just trying to understand, seems awfully miserable to only wanna come around to b!tch and moan when things aren’t going well.
 
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The biggest gripe most have with Barnes is his lack of postseason success. Winning a game in early February doesn't alter that stance at all. If this team falters and gets embarrassed in March again, this stretch of play becomes totally irrelevant. So you guys might want to hold off on your victory lap.

Aren't we pretty much right where Vegas expected us to be? That's your mantra right when people get too low on the program? Shouldn't that work for both sides of the pendulum swing?
Maybe I'm just not passionate enough, but in my experience, getting into the post season consistently has been a challenge before Barnes arrived. We've gone from hoping to win a game...a single game...in the SECT and hoping to hear our names on selection Sunday to expecting a double bye and wondering if we'll be a 4, 5 or 6 seed. Folks better appreciate where this program is right now. One day Barnes will be gone and things might not be so pleasant in TBA. I can vividly recall the late 90s and fan bemoaning the fact that UT wasn't winning "big enough". We all know what the last 20 years have been like for UT in football. Enjoy the journey and appreciate where we are right now.
 
Maybe I'm just not passionate enough, but in my experience, getting into the post season consistently has been a challenge before Barnes arrived. We've gone from hoping to win a game...a single game...in the SECT and hoping to hear our names on selection Sunday to expecting a double bye and wondering if we'll be a 4, 5 or 6 seed. Folks better appreciate where this program is right now. One day Barnes will be gone and things might not be so pleasant in TBA. I can vividly recall the late 90s and fan bemoaning the fact that UT wasn't winning "big enough". We all know what the last 20 years have been like for UT in football. Enjoy the journey and appreciate where we are right now.

As long as Doug Dickey isn’t involved, UT basketball has been a consistently solid program since Mears took over. I know a large portion of UT fans had to live through the Houston/O’Neill fans are petrified that it can happen again but I’m confident it will never get that bad barring off the court issues. Dickey was that bad of an AD.
 
Is it not true that only 1 team succeeds by season’s end? In your sad narrative, that’s the way the vocal minority thinks. It’s really pathetic and sad that you can’t realize that the vast majority of all coaches “underperform” in March. Literally almost every coach underperforms, in your view. Why do you choose to crucify the team you supposedly love?

Show me where I have "crucified" this team on any comment I've made. Or where anybody on here has said Barnes should win a title or he is a failure.

The only thing sad is the inability of some, such as yourself apparently, to take any kind of different opinion as a direct insult to the program.
 
As long as Doug Dickey isn’t involved, UT basketball has been a consistently solid program since Mears took over. I know a large portion of UT fans had to live through the Houston/O’Neill fans are petrified that it can happen again but I’m confident it will never get that bad barring off the court issues. Dickey was that bad of an AD.
The NCAAT results ideally need to improve, but assuming we get a 5 seed or better this year Barnes will be the only UT coach to have ever taken the Vols to the NCAAT 4x as a 5 seed or better. I’m aware the reply to that is “well what’s he done in the NCAAT”, but there’s a lot of middle ground between what Barnes has done and what Peterson was doing.
 
As long as Doug Dickey isn’t involved, UT basketball has been a consistently solid program since Mears took over. I know a large portion of UT fans had to live through the Houston/O’Neill fans are petrified that it can happen again but I’m confident it will never get that bad barring off the court issues. Dickey was that bad of an AD.
A lot of these people that whine about Barnes aren’t old enough to remember Wade Houston and Kevin O’Neill. If they had experienced that, they would thank their lucky stars we have Rick Barnes. Good coach with class.
 
A lot of these people that whine about Barnes aren’t old enough to remember Wade Houston and Kevin O’Neill. If they had experienced that, they would thank their lucky stars we have Rick Barnes. Good coach with class.
Somebody needs to give them a history lesson. Yeah a few years ago it was get Shaka Smart or get White’s brother at Florida. Lot’s of folks don’t have any patience anymore they want the next shiny thing and don’t realize the shine was often more hype than substance. Barnes has won more consistently and produced more good sound teams that play consistently hard than any coach we have had since Pearl. His is 8-7 against Calipari, we consistently make the dance. And before anyone says we haven’t been to the final 4 there have been many good coaches that had to wait a while before cracking that nutt. It’s easy to lose in a one and out tourney. But tell me what other coach got us too the tournament this much and won this many sec contest. I will hang up and listen to crickets! Go Vols!!!!
 
A lot of these people that whine about Barnes aren’t old enough to remember Wade Houston and Kevin O’Neill. If they had experienced that, they would thank their lucky stars we have Rick Barnes. Good coach with class.

I remember that there was a lot of optimism even after KO’s 3rd year and having missed the NCAAT for the 8th year in a row. The recruiting was on track and TN’s defense was elite. Turnovers were a problem but Tony Harris was probably second only to Allan Houston as far as great recruits since Dale Ellis. CJ Black, Hathaway, and Wharton were already here. I think that Isiah Victor was as well but Dickey forced KO to redshirt him (which was a big reason that O’Neill was mad and ran away from TN for an arguably lesser job at Northwestern). I don’t remember anybody happy that KO left other than maybe morally self important Bible thumper types with seats within earshot of TN’s bench.
 
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The biggest gripe most have with Barnes is his lack of postseason success. Winning a game in early February doesn't alter that stance at all. If this team falters and gets embarrassed in March again, this stretch of play becomes totally irrelevant. So you guys might want to hold off on your victory lap.

Aren't we pretty much right where Vegas expected us to be? That's your mantra right when people get too low on the program? Shouldn't that work for both sides of the pendulum swing?

Then they should not comment on the regular season, which they themselves try to argue doesn't matter except when they can try to twist it so it casts CRB and this team in a bad light. That is precisely what is being pointed out...these same posters cannot bring themselves to admit we are playing well (pride over fandom or outright trolls - you decide).

And, if you equate recognizing this team is playing well and being happy as a fan a "victory lap"...then you clearly lack comprehension and objectivity. This team seems to be coming into form at the most important time of the season and is clearly a Top 25 team with a great resume for tourney seeding thus far.

#truthurts
 
I remember that there was a lot of optimism even after KO’s 3rd year and having missed the NCAAT for the 8th year in a row. The recruiting was on track and TN’s defense was elite. Turnovers were a problem but Tony Harris was probably second only to Allan Houston as far as great recruits since Dale Ellis. CJ Black, Hathaway, and Wharton were already here. I think that Isiah Victor was as well but Dickey forced KO to redshirt him (which was a big reason that O’Neill was mad and ran away from TN for an arguably lesser job at Northwestern). I don’t remember anybody happy that KO left other than maybe morally self important Bible thumper types with seats within earshot of TN’s bench.
Wait a minute - your saying the AD was telling coaches how to manage their rosters? I find that hard to believe
 
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I remember that there was a lot of optimism even after KO’s 3rd year and having missed the NCAAT for the 8th year in a row. The recruiting was on track and TN’s defense was elite. Turnovers were a problem but Tony Harris was probably second only to Allan Houston as far as great recruits since Dale Ellis. CJ Black, Hathaway, and Wharton were already here. I think that Isiah Victor was as well but Dickey forced KO to redshirt him (which was a big reason that O’Neill was mad and ran away from TN for an arguably lesser job at Northwestern). I don’t remember anybody happy that KO left other than maybe morally self important Bible thumper types with seats within earshot of TN’s bench.

KO's defense was great...I had rather poke myself in the eye repeatedly than EVER watch another minute of his offense.
 
Then they should not comment on the regular season, which they themselves try to argue doesn't matter except when they can try to twist it so it casts CRB and this team in a bad light. That is precisely what is being pointed out...these same posters cannot bring themselves to admit we are playing well (pride over fandom or outright trolls - you decide).

And, if you equate recognizing this team is playing well and being happy as a fan a "victory lap"...then you clearly lack comprehension and objectivity. This team seems to be coming into form at the most important time of the season and is clearly a Top 25 team with a great resume for tourney seeding thus far.

#truthurts
This is all really good stuff. The poster says if we get knocked out in the tourney, the good play now becomes irrelevant. My perception is that this whole season has been very relevant to the 17,000 fans attending games. It is very relevant to those of us who follow this team closely via television or other media outlets. It is very relevant to the scores of young kids who idolize their Vol basketball players. It is very relevant to a ton of alumni all over our state, country, and even world. It’s relevant to MOST of us because we invest our time and emotions following this team—win, lose, or draw. Again, the vocal minority makes the most noise.
 
I remember that there was a lot of optimism even after KO’s 3rd year and having missed the NCAAT for the 8th year in a row. The recruiting was on track and TN’s defense was elite. Turnovers were a problem but Tony Harris was probably second only to Allan Houston as far as great recruits since Dale Ellis. CJ Black, Hathaway, and Wharton were already here. I think that Isiah Victor was as well but Dickey forced KO to redshirt him (which was a big reason that O’Neill was mad and ran away from TN for an arguably lesser job at Northwestern). I don’t remember anybody happy that KO left other than maybe morally self important Bible thumper types with seats within earshot of TN’s bench.
Barnes is much better than O’Neil, who went on to vandy and fizzled out there. The South Carolina coach reminds me of O’Neil. Barnes is just a all around better coach. GBO
 
This is all really good stuff. The poster says if we get knocked out in the tourney, the good play now becomes irrelevant. My perception is that this whole season has been very relevant to the 17,000 fans attending games. It is very relevant to those of us who follow this team closely via television or other media outlets. It is very relevant to the scores of young kids who idolize their Vol basketball players. It is very relevant to a ton of alumni all over our state, country, and even world. It’s relevant to MOST of us because we invest our time and emotions following this team—win, lose, or draw. Again, the vocal minority makes the most noise.
Miserables gonna be Miserables. They are miserable when we lose and miserable when we win because they were wrong. Yet if you are happy when the team plays well, you are a sheep and a Barnes nut hugger. I think that is the preferred insult?
 
Barnes is much better than O’Neil, who went on to vandy and fizzled out there. The South Carolina coach reminds me of O’Neil. Barnes is just a all around better coach. GBO
Agreed. There are several coaches that I lump in that group. KO, Frank Martin, Will Muschamp, Dana Holgerson. All decent coaches but an absolute embarrassment with their antics on the sideline. Terrible examples for the players and I wouldn’t have any of them representing my school if I was in charge. Give me the good coach with class every time. Having said that, there is a balance. Don’t want a Wade Houston or Buzz Peterson either. Nice guys who couldn’t coach a lick.
 
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As long as Doug Dickey isn’t involved, UT basketball has been a consistently solid program since Mears took over. I know a large portion of UT fans had to live through the Houston/O’Neill fans are petrified that it can happen again but I’m confident it will never get that bad barring off the court issues. Dickey was that bad of an AD.

Dickey always thought men's basketball was simply indoor football and supported it in that context, hiring bargain bin coaches, was tone deaf to fans and former letterman who wanted to see the program morph into a contemporary program and many season ticket holders remember black curtains in the upper decks hiding unsold and unticketed seats since there was no demand to sit up there. Is Barnes a perfect coach, probably not; does he have top shelf talent from the Nike and AAA basketball player factories, not at every position and certainly not 10 deep; should we be thankful our hoops are where we are, given the lack of leadership at the university, particularly the athletic department more focused on money than championship caliber performance for decades . . . . I am
 
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