Rick Barnes: Year One

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buzz4tennessee said:
I get the impression that your ego needs propping up when you try to put down someone, rather than sticking to the subject. This is sad!
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I was actually sticking right to the subject, thus the reason I brought up your exact quote, why don't you address the post instead of trying to change the topic?
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
How funny, you dictated Barnes expectations by providing us with the numbers from the prediction thread, yet when it comes to Tyndall only your opinion counts and not that same thread, I wonder why?

I do also think it's quite funny that with a lesser roster you predicted more wins than you did last season, I'm doubting you predicted 13 wins last year for Tyndall prior to the first game, but I will definitely go look for it when I get some time.
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Lol

I will tell you what's sooooo funny.

You arguing about Barnes grade when you yourself said he did an "utterly awful job" this year.


Last time I checked, an utterly awful grade is a D or F
 
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BruinVol said:
Lol

I will tell you what's sooooo funny.

You arguing about Barnes grade when you yourself said he did an "utterly awful job" this year.


Last time I checked, an utterly awful grade is a D or F
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Just like Buzz you attempt to change the subject when you know you've been had, how funny.
 
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Post was well done OP, agree with much of it.

Sometimes I think you have to look beyond the stats and the win loss column. Losing Punter and Hubbs at about the same time was a tough blow going down the stretch, and not just because of the points, but because Moore had to become the point. Harder to rebound when you start the possesion at the top of the key. So, not only did Barnes have to figure out how to manufacture the lost points but he also had to figure out how to get some rebounds. Reese's last few games were probably the best of his career.

The ongoing, somewhat controversial, attempts to motivate Hubbs might pay dividends next year. Whether one agrees with the tactics, of the three coaches Hubbs has had, this one seems hellbent on pushing him to reach his max potential.

The benching of players for lack of effort, setting the bar in terms of expectations for the future.

These are all things that don't show up in the box score, but are required of a first year coach laying the foundation for the future.

In the grand scheme of things, finishing 15-19 or 17-17 doesn't really matter this season.

From a win loss perspective Barnes did not exceed expectations, but we finished about where we were expected. In some other areas, being creative with the roster he had for instance, or overcoming areas of deficiency like point guard and lack of a true post player, he probably exceeded some expectations.

C+/B-
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Just like Buzz you attempt to change the subject when you know you've been had, how funny.
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Change the subject?

we are talking grades


Barnes deserves a bad grade and even you said it.

bleedingTNorange said:
For me to say Barnes just did an utterly awful job he'd probably have to win 14 games or less, maybe 15, if he wins 15-16 games it's a meh job, about what I expected, 17-19 wins was a very good job, 20+ wins and he deserves COY considerations.
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I mean you even said 14 wins was an utterly awful job. 13 is well below an average grade of a C and you damn well know it because you have posted it
 
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I love the ones here that everything is black and white, and nothing like injuries changes the perception at all. Also love that it's 2 of the usual suspects going along with that line of thinking.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
I was actually sticking right to the subject, thus the reason I brought up your exact quote, why don't you address the post instead of trying to change the topic?
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You could have stopped at the end of the first sentence and that would have made your point. Instead, you had to go forward with your put down, like an 7th grade girl saying nah-nay-nee-nah-nah.

Please show some maturity!
 
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BruinVol said:
Change the subject?

we are talking grades


Barnes deserves a bad grade and even you said it.




I mean you even said 14 wins was an utterly awful job. 13 is well below an average grade of a C and you damn well know it because you have posted it
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And where have I said opposite? I actually had Barnes as a D and Tyndall a D+ initially, maybe I should've kept it that way. My greater point was that neither coach "met expectations", and that includes Tyndall who you try to say overachieve, of course your standard for Tyndall and Barnes is different which is no shock.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
I love the ones here that everything is black and white, and nothing like injuries changes the perception at all. Also love that it's 2 of the usual suspects going along with that line of thinking.
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Agree. We didn't have Jabari McGhee for any part of his first year in conference play!
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
And where have I said opposite? I actually had Barnes as a D and Tyndall a D+ initially, maybe I should've kept it that way. My greater point was that neither coach "met expectations", and that includes Tyndall who you try to say overachieve, of course your standard for Tyndall and Barnes is different which is no shock.
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As I said Tyndall won 1 not more than 2 more games that I thought he would. I also loved how we were competitive in nearly every game and played with our hair on fire. Thus a C+ grade.

Barnes team fell short of what I expected(16). His team played very hard at times and at others they didn't. There was serious disconnect with him and some of the roster. Thus why he gets a D for me


I don't give a damn what else you post or anyone else post about those grades.
They are my opinion and they aren't changing
 
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BruinVol said:
As I said Tyndall won 1 not more than 2 more games that I thought he would. I also loved how we were competitive in nearly every game and played with our hair on fire. Thus a C+ grade.

Barnes team fell short of what I expected(16). His team played very hard at times and at others they didn't. There was serious disconnect with him and some of the roster. Thus why he gets a D for me


I don't give a damn what else you post or anyone else post about those grades.
They are my opinion and they aren't changing
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Then it seems pretty stupid to post them on a messageboard then.
 
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BruinVol said:
Huh

Isn't a message board for posting opinions and discussing them?

Or it it just for posting opinions that are popular?
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You just said you "don't give a damn" about what others think of your opinion. If you don't care about what others think about what you posted, then how are you encouraging any discussion?

Or is it that you only care to discuss your opinion with those that agree with you?
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
You just said you "don't give a damn" about what others think of your opinion. If you don't care about what others think about what you posted, then how are you encouraging any discussion?

Or is it that you only care to discuss your opinion with those that agree with you?
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I said I am not changing my opinion.

I am more than happy to discuss differing views
 
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JustWin1 said:
I am not sure what to say about this other than you must not understand basketball much or have zero idea the current state of Tennessee basketball. This is a 3 year project at least and making assumptions based on this roster is a waste of time. Next year will be another building block as 77% (10 of 13) of our team will be Freshman or Sophomores. So I think we need to see where we are year 3 - If you have any specific examples of coaches taking a roster this bad and making them a above .500 team I would love to be corrected. But this is a B+ for me.
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Agreed. Pretty harsh critics considering he had little to nothing walking into the season. He made Punter better as well as everyone else on the team. How are you going to throw the playback at a team that's had three different playboy's thrown at them in three years!? I'd give a solid B. A D+ would be deserving if this was year three not year one. Like I said before the fact that he had to start Derrick Reese says volumes about this team. He's a bench player that really should only see mop up duty or come in to get some boards when the other team has long wings not start at center!!! Lmao
 
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BruinVol said:
As I said Tyndall won 1 not more than 2 more games that I thought he would. I also loved how we were competitive in nearly every game and played with our hair on fire. Thus a C+ grade.

Barnes team fell short of what I expected(16). His team played very hard at times and at others they didn't. There was serious disconnect with him and some of the roster. Thus why he gets a D for me


I don't give a damn what else you post or anyone else post about those grades.
They are my opinion and they aren't changing
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So you use the prediction thread to make your point Barnes didn't meet expectations, then use solely your opinion to determine Tyndall exceeded expectations? Why is that?
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
So you use the prediction thread to make your point Barnes didn't meet expectations, then use solely your opinion to determine Tyndall exceeded expectations? Why is that?
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He used past VN posts about the DeBord hire to buttress his position that we wouldn't hire Shoop for DC. Didn't make sense but he's not limited by that. :)
 
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I just read the article below and am pretty concerned about Barnes and the long term health for the team:

This is Texas? Shaka Smart overcomes red tape, high expectations, internal politics in first year | Hookem.com

Looks like Smart had a lot of legacy issues to deal with and while Barnes is only called out for his "hard driving style" some of the academic and cultural challenges tell me a lot about what he allowed to happen under his watch.

Bottom line is Texas' new coach did a lot with his time and they are playing in the tourney. We have a lot of questions after this season and the D+ seems warranted.

I hope that I am wrong and he can create a healthy program that contends vs. defines itself by a few upsets here and there....

Thoughts?
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Yup, it sure was. A whole lot of 17&18 win predictions, talk of NCAAT, NIT, much fewer thought .500 was the expectation, guess Tyndall failed to meet expectations too.
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Unrealistic. That is why I don't get caught up with expectations, especially when you have a new coach and 5 new players, some of whom you had to rely on.

The only time that you can set some reasonable expectations is like this upcoming year in football when there is very little player turnover, and the coach has been there at least a year. Even then, injury can change expectations.
 
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GoVols64 said:
I just read the article below and am pretty concerned about Barnes and the long term health for the team:

This is Texas? Shaka Smart overcomes red tape, high expectations, internal politics in first year | Hookem.com

Looks like Smart had a lot of legacy issues to deal with and while Barnes is only called out for his "hard driving style" some of the academic and cultural challenges tell me a lot about what he allowed to happen under his watch.

Bottom line is Texas' new coach did a lot with his time and they are playing in the tourney. We have a lot of questions after this season and the D+ seems warranted.

I hope that I am wrong and he can create a healthy program that contends vs. defines itself by a few upsets here and there....

Thoughts?
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Fixed the link for you.

Thanks for posting.
 
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