Riots in England. Are we next?

#103
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vader said:
So the muslims are responsible for the London riots?
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Well one can blame them on bourgeois capatalism etc
untill one gets all one can swallow and :puke5: but
there is no getting around the fact that the number
one sower of the seeds of civil unrest in England are
the imams in the mosques.

The tactic now being used there is successful elsewhere
to gain territory under their (sometimes absolute) control.

See France, Kenya and numerous outher countries.

Who do you say is responsible?
 
#110
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utgibbs said:
The police shot an unarmed man (in a taxi cab) on Thursday (this is a special armed unit of Scotland Yard). After the police tried to put the kaibash on a peaceful demonstration the following night all hell has broken loose. Forensic evidence now shows, the victim did not fire a gun. In addition, there was a bullet found in one officer's radio - of course made much ado in the bourgeois media. Forensics now know it was ammunition from the police force itself.

So, there is plenty of outrage and rightfully so.

The riots are now almost exclusively teenagers looting with impunity. It is disgraceful that 1. they have been so brainwashed by society into thinking a new G4 phone, priced out of their reach, is important, and 2. they have so little parental supervision, probably because mum and dad work shifts in many cases, 3. that they have so little respect for social, collective cohesion.

However, this does show a downside to walkable communities. No way could teenagers mount these kinds of riots from suburbia.
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hndog609 said:
And walkable communities...wasn't that part of the equation too?
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Again, there was initial outrage over the shooting of an unarmed black man by the police which prompted a politically motivated riot (and one probably justified as legitimate political violence).

Since then, we have seen the fruits of bourgeois society erupt on the streets. Teenagers with disrupted families - moms and dads working shifts, not at home - who have been brain fried since birth into believing its the most important thing in life to have a bunch of stuff that they couldn't get otherwise.

Y'all seem to be suggesting that a public health service has delivered teenagers healthy enough to riot. Doubt our teens could mount a proper riot in the shape they're in.
 
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utgibbs said:
Y'all seem to be suggesting that a public health service has delivered teenagers healthy enough to riot. Doubt our teens could mount a proper riot in the shape they're in.
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Yea. Probably not a single teenager in all of America healthy enough to riot.

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#114
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utvolpj said:
how about a social program to detach lips from the gov't udders?
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JayVols said:
GS, I don't vote straight party lines, D or R.
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The Democrat party and the Communist party are
identical, there is no difference.

Republicans are only marginally better as a whole,
although there are a few who represent the people's
best interests, or at least pretend to.

tvolsfan
Why are they rioting? Their soccer team lose to
Germany again?
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No actually soccer fans were POed because a match
was cancelled due to rioting.

MG1968
yeah, because 50 years of the War on Poverty has had such amazing results in the US.

the riots in London have absolutely nothing to do with income inequality.
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I agree, very little to do with income inequality.

Altidore (is he a Vandy fan?), said that since there
was no rioting during the great depression (there was)
there would be none here.

What????

What about Wisconsin and Philidelphia, again it has
very little to do with Obama's failing economy.

Weapons of Mob Destruction | FrontPage Magazine

(long article but worth the read.)

In Philadelphia, a group of 20-40 youths went on a rampage in Center City August 1st, resulting in 59 people being beaten and briefly hospitalized. Last Thursday, a mob ran through the Wisconsin State Fair at closing time, beating up people at random. In London, citizens have been besieged by three straight nights of hellish rioting, even as that rioting has spread to other parts of the nation. The common themes? A racial component, studiously ignored wherever possible; technology that makes mob organization far easier than ever before; and the undeniable relationship between welfare state policies and the expansion of underclass mores.

The racial element of these attacks is becoming impossible to ignore. In Philadelphia, black Mayor Michael A. Nutter, much to his credit, stepped into the breach. After telling black youths, “You have damaged your own race,” he announced an increase in police patrols in some neighborhoods, called on citizens to monitor the streets, and moved up a weekend curfew on minors to 9 p.m. Parents will also be subjected to increasing fines each time one of their children gets caught violating the curfew. “Take those God-darn hoodies down, especially in the summer,” said Nutter. “Pull your pants up and buy a belt ‘cause no one wants to see your underwear or the crack of your butt.”

Nutter also challenged parents to take responsibility for their children, with specific admonition aimed at men. “If you’re just hanging out out there, maybe you’re sending them a check or bringing some cash by. That’s not being a father. You’re just a human ATM … And if you’re not providing the guidance and you’re not sending any money, you’re just a sperm donor,” he said. On Monday, he spelled out his intentions to maintain order using gang references. “Let me just share this with you. We’ve got the biggest, baddest gang in town — a committed group of citizens and a committed government — and we’re working together and we’re not going to have this nonsense anymore,” he warned.

In Wisconsin, race was not just an element of the attacks there, but apparently the entire impetus for them. The mayhem at the Wisconsin State Fair was reported as a mob of “dozens to 100 black teenagers,” who tore through the fairgrounds and the parking lot “beating white people at random.” This is the second such incident in Wisconsin in just over a month. On July Fourth weekend, another mob of rampaging “youths” attacked people at Kilbourn Reservoir Park and looted a BP gas station nearby. The following Tuesday, Milwaukee Police Chief Edward Flynn noted that crime is “colorblind.” Here is the video of the BP gas station attack. Readers can draw their own conclusions.
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They can also overwhelm businesses. Countless flash mob robberies have taken place across the nation. The National Retail Federation notes that 10 percent of 106 companies it surveyed reported being targeted. ”Retailers are raising red flags about criminal flash mobs, which are wreaking havoc on their business, causing concerns about the safety of their customers and employees, and directly impacting their bottom line,” they reported.

Are there effective counter-measures? The Cleveland City Council attempted to pass a bill making it illegal to organize a flash mob using social media. It was shot down by a mayoral veto when the ACLU contended it was unconstitutional. LAPD Capt. Jon Peters says police have no choice but to monitor social networking sites for signs of trouble.
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If race was the match that lit the London conflagration, the culture of bitter class resentment and entitlement to unearned wealth, part and parcel of the socialist state, was the gasoline.

It is a rationale ignited by the cradle-to-grave expectations perpetrated by the welfare state. One that ignites anger, resentment and rioting when those expectations are threatened with extinction.
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utgibbs said:
I will always Big Pimp NASA, but what we really need is a social program to address the crisis of wealth redistribution (development, if you prefer) and to radically alter our lives to restore it to its proper place on this planet. The greatest challenge ever to humankind is happening right now, impoverishing every ecosystem on this planet, and making an alien world. And we are doing NOTHING.
These are the sources of the frustration. These are projects to get REALLY excited about.
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Yes there is nothing like having the youth of today realize that they absolutely do not have to have goals. That they don't have to strive, probably as your grandparents and parents did to make a better life. That they don't have to have the next idea for a product. That they can't be richer than their parents. That now going to school and getting an education is useless all because the government will give them everything they need so they can just sit back and chill! Talking about working for the man!
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As the picture from the Daily Mail shows, a thug (Black) forces a White guy to hand over his clothes. The purpose being simple humiliation (the clothes won't fit).


Whiskey's Place: England Falls

The situation is spiraling out of control. High Street areas, the ritzy places of Kensington, Notting Hill, and other "tony" areas have had rioters looting patrons of two-star Michelin restaurants. While Home Secretary May declares that "policing is done with the consent of communities." Code words for no action that the Black, Pakistani Muslim, and now Indian groups that have effectively colonized England would object to, will be taken.
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Meanwhile riots have spread to other cities. Bristol, Birmingham, and Liverpool. Olympic officials are said to be mulling yanking the Olympics from London and awarding them to some other city on an emergency basis. There are not enough police, those that have been mobilized from other cities ... like Bristol are now stuck in London, where they have been fleeing rioters. The police can use no force against the mob, and the mob (nearly all Black or Pakistani or Indian depending on the section of the city) know it. The police are exhausted, working 18 shifts and limited when they do confront the mob to batons and pepper spray. Which will not cut it.
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Here is the end of PC Britain. As feckless as JK Rowlings Ministry of Magic, against Voldemort. With a politically correct female Home Secretary ruling out anything that would offend Black or Muslim-Pakistani mobs. [There are a few White kids engaged in the mob violence, but is vastly Black or Pakistani-Muslim.] And of course if say, Choudary can set up his own mini Islamic Republic (and rest assured he will) inside Britain, so too can hordes of people from very poor countries in North Africa or Africa come there and simply set up where ever they want. Taking what they want. If a mob can rob the tony patrons of a tony restaurant, why not Buckingham Palace? After all, that's the consent of the Community! And why not have, say, half of Libya or Morocco show up at Dover Beach? Ready to take over? That's the price of PC weakness. Of diversity. Of Multiculturalism.
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As Machiavelli wrote, it is far easier to rectify things when the situation has not reached a crisis. Early diagnosis of social ills offer remedies that are far less drastic. But no one in England has the courage or will to act, which at this point means killing lots of rioters and nothing else.

What will take its place, is rule by mob of certain enclaves. Black leaders emerging from the mob will rule certain parts of London, which will look like African hell-hole cities, only colder and with snow. Pakistani Muslim leaders will do the same with other sections of major cities which will also be hell holes. And fleeing mob non-White rule will be a host of Englishmen and women. Who will be the first but not last European refugees effectively ethnically cleansed out of their own nation.
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Who wants PC and Multiculturalism and Diversity if all it gets you is being stripped of your clothes (and everything else)? And that's all it does get you, in the end.
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#118
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hndog609 said:
Whatever your feelings on the matter I expect there's more than a few Brits that share Mr. Gardiner's view. Especially when the final toll of damage, injury and deaths is tallied talk of this sort may gain even more traction.

If British shopkeepers had the right to bear arms, vicious thugs would think twice before looting – Telegraph Blogs
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A couple of friends of mine are professionals and for many years spent two weeks to a month in Honduras working at a free clinic providing services the patients couldn't normally afford.

One year they decided to take a real vacation instead of a working vacation and visited friends in England.

That was about ten years ago.

They said the older people were virtual prisoners in their owns homes after dark because they would surely be mugged and robbed by roving bands on young thugs if the ventured out at night for a stroll.

It's amazing how prophetic the movie 'Clockwork Orange' was.

About ten years ago some thugs broke into a rural home in England and the farmer broke out a shotgun and ran them off, he fired once and sprinkeld one of the would-be robbers with bird shot.

The British government made sure that the farmer spent more time in prison than the thief did.

Now get this; the British Home Secretary made the statement that there needed to be harsher guns laws, saying; "We simply MUST do something to protect our burglars!"

And that my friends is the epitome of the liberal mindset.

Simply insane is the only way to describe it.
 
#119
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gsvol said:
the British Home Secretary made the statement that there needed to be harsher guns laws, saying; "We simply MUST do something to protect our burglars!"
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Citation please.

Who was the Home Secretary who made this blatantly stupid comment? Otherwise I will just chalk it up as more BS coming from gs.

If the quote came from one of the ultra conservative blogs you read then don't even bother with the citation.
 
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#122
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Oldvol75 said:
Yes there is nothing like having the youth of today realize that they absolutely do not have to have goals. That they don't have to strive, probably as your grandparents and parents did to make a better life. That they don't have to have the next idea for a product. That they can't be richer than their parents. That now going to school and getting an education is useless all because the government will give them everything they need so they can just sit back and chill! Talking about working for the man!
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I'm not sure I'm clear on the point you are trying to make.

I agree, we don't have a real cultural project that properly engages the youth of today. Even though one worth working is heating the real world outside the back door as we speak and creating an impoverished, alien world.

Instead, we have created a bourgeois world where most of them are superfluous and told so in no uncertain terms by droski et al.
 
#123
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utgibbs said:
I'm not sure I'm clear on the point you are trying to make.

I agree, we don't have a real cultural project that properly engages the youth of today. Even though one worth working is heating the real world outside the back door as we speak and creating an impoverished,
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When you hand people everything they need to survive and they have to do nothing in return for it, they have no desire to make themselves better or those around them. I really can't believe that you cannot see that welfare has totally destroyed generations of people. They only care about what's given to them and only want more. Did not the government start this program?

It's like the old saying that you can give a person a fish and you can feed him for a day, but teach him to fish and you can teach him to feed himself for a life time.
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Oldvol75 said:
It's like the old saying that you can give a person a fish and you can feed him for a day, but teach him to fish and you can teach him to feed himself for a life time.
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A lot of UTG's ideas seem rooted in some kind of inherent goodness of the human species that has just been corrupted by outside forces. (gov, society, etc) Mayhap I'm just a cynical sort but I don't believe that. As you point out there is a significant portion of the population that if offered a free ride at another's expense they'll take it. Worse, once accustomed to such largesse, they will consider it a "right".

Sometimes I can almost believe at least UTG's heart is in the right place even if he's deluded himself somewhat about what will (or even does) work in any place other than whatever extra-dimensional portal exists outside his personal back door.
 
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