Robert Hubbs: Underachiever in the making or is it coaching?

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the question is how would he look at Duke, Ky, or even UF, Ark and Ole Miss in their offenses. He's strong and can get up. Can't believe we haven't tried to post him more. Actually, yes I can.
 
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87Vol said:
Jordan has developed some on his own just through mere experience, however, he could be a ton better than he is. If he were being coached up by a real coach like Coach K, Izzo, or Self, he would probably be a lottery pick next year.

If Cuonzo is such a great coach, how come Stokes, Maymon, Moore, and the rest of the players he's had during his time here haven't gotten any better at all. They've all pretty much remained the same mediocre players they've always been.

My guess is the same thing will happen with Hubbs if Cuonzo is allowed to hang around.
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So he gets no credit for JM's development but he is to blame for the other players precieved lack of development? You don't just show. up and get better. CM has absolutely helped McRae. Maymon and Stokes have also gotten better than when they arrived. Maymon sat a year and the games Stokes hasn't been in foul trouble he has been putting up double doubles. Moore is what he was projected to be. Some players are role players and will never develop that much. Every team has players like that . Izzo , Coach K and Self have multiple MDAAs who barely play , underachieve or play and are average.
 
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He has a tremendous upside there is not doubt and with the right coach they could maximize that potential. Under this regime he will be Scotty Hopson 2.0
 
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allvol21 said:
He has a tremendous upside there is not doubt and with the right coach they could maximize that potential. Under this regime he will be Scotty Hopson 2.0
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We are NINE games into the season. NINE GAMES wait till the season's end. People these days
 
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87Vol said:
Jordan has developed some on his own just through mere experience, however, he could be a ton better than he is. If he were being coached up by a real coach like Coach K, Izzo, or Self, he would probably be a lottery pick next year.

If Cuonzo is such a great coach, how come Stokes, Maymon, Moore, and the rest of the players he's had during his time here haven't gotten any better at all. They've all pretty much remained the same mediocre players they've always been.

My guess is the same thing will happen with Hubbs if Cuonzo is allowed to hang around.
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That's ridiculous. Stokes, for instance, has gone from 9.6 and 7.4 to 14.1 points and 9.3 rebounds per game. Is there room for improvement? Yes... but to call them mediocre and say they haven't improved is dumb even for you.
 
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k-town_king said:
So he gets no credit for JM's development but he is to blame for the other players precieved lack of development? You don't just show. up and get better. CM has absolutely helped McRae. Maymon and Stokes have also gotten better than when they arrived. Maymon sat a year and the games Stokes hasn't been in foul trouble he has been putting up double doubles. Moore is what he was projected to be. Some players are role players and will never develop that much. Every team has players like that . Izzo , Coach K and Self have multiple MDAAs who barely play , underachieve or play and are average.
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You're comparing Cuonzo with Coach K, Self, and Izzo?
 
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k-town_king said:
So he gets no credit for JM's development but he is to blame for the other players precieved lack of development? You don't just show. up and get better. CM has absolutely helped McRae. Maymon and Stokes have also gotten better than when they arrived. Maymon sat a year and the games Stokes hasn't been in foul trouble he has been putting up double doubles. Moore is what he was projected to be. Some players are role players and will never develop that much. Every team has players like that . Izzo , Coach K and Self have multiple MDAAs who barely play , underachieve or play and are average.
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You know it does seem like Cuonzo's players do develop individually but to get them to play together as a cohesive unit is where he seems to fail. It seems like one of the gears is always out of sync with the rest during a game at the wrong time and they never seem to gel and achieve their full potential.
 
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k-town_king said:
So he gets no credit for JM's development but he is to blame for the other players precieved lack of development? You don't just show. up and get better. CM has absolutely helped McRae. Maymon and Stokes have also gotten better than when they arrived. Maymon sat a year and the games Stokes hasn't been in foul trouble he has been putting up double doubles. Moore is what he was projected to be. Some players are role players and will never develop that much. Every team has players like that . Izzo , Coach K and Self have multiple MDAAs who barely play , underachieve or play and are average.
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Whatever, you want to think. I happen to think that McRae's all-around game would have improved far more under an excellent coach like the ones I mentioned or perhaps a Petino. As for Stokes and Maymon, neither of them seems to be any better than when they first got here. Stokes only gets double digits in scoring because he gets put backs on rebounds. He is not developing any sort of offensive game more than what he had when he got here. Same for Maymon. Plus they both play soft on the offensive end. How many times have we witnessed them going up soft and missing a layup? Same ole crap year after year with them both. As for the others who have been here under Cuonzo, like Moore, Richardson, etc. Even if they are role players, should we not see them improve over the course of their time here? We should, but I sure ain't seeing it, and it obviously isn't showing up in the box scores or the win column.

The bottom line is that Cuonzo is crap as a winning coach. He's a very nice guy, with very high character, a definite winner off the court, but he is not a winner on the court, PERIOD. He's never in his entire career coached up a team to make the NCAA tournament. That is a fact and you cannot refute it. This team is relatively the same mediocre garbage as it has been since he got here. We haven't improved one single bit as a team. We are most definitely underachieving and wasting the talent we have on this year's team. That is unacceptable and he needs to be given his walking papers IMMEDIATELY, because the bottom line is what you accomplish on the court!!! We've seen enough already. We are what we are with Cuonzo and it ain't gonna get any better with him in charge, and that just ain't good enough.
 
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iKrager said:
We are NINE games into the season. NINE GAMES wait till the season's end. People these days
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Don't get frustrated so easily my friend. I understand it takes some people watching something 10 TIMES before they can asses it. What are your predictions on his numbers by the end of the season?

What did I say based on the NINE GAMES did you disagree with? If you think he has maxed out to his full potential please check into some other 5 star recruits at other programs and compare their numbers.
 
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LA vol7 said:
unbelievable.... I can't believe this is even a thread
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I totally believe it. Give enough idiots an opinion, a smart phone, and some free time, and this is the result.

Threads like this were predicted over the summer. They are all too predictable honestly.
 
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allvol21 said:
He has a tremendous upside there is not doubt and with the right coach they could maximize that potential. Under this regime he will be Scotty Hopson 2.0
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If Hubbs is averaging 17 ppg by his junior year and a 1st team All-SEC player, will you be happy with him?
 
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Some guys just don't do well coming off the bench , Hubbs is one of those guys . Start him instead of Richardson , who has been pretty useless so far . Give Hubbs heavy minutes and he will produce , very talented player
 
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cncchris33 said:
I totally believe it. Give enough idiots an opinion, a smart phone, and some free time, and this is the result.

Threads like this were predicted over the summer. They are all too predictable honestly.
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Are you one of the idiots who read them?
 
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He is 9 games into his freshman year, and cuonzo martins system isn't really conductive for scorers. He is probably still adjusting to the intensity that is expected on the defensive end. He also looks a little gun shy when open looks come on the perimeter. I think he will be pretty good when he gets comfortable in this system.
 
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jarnol32 said:
He is 9 games into his freshman year, and cuonzo martins system isn't really conductive for scorers. He is probably still adjusting to the intensity that is expected on the defensive end. He also looks a little gun shy when open looks come on the perimeter. I think he will be pretty good when he gets comfortable in this system.
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Are those silver or copper conductors?
 
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walkenvol said:
That was sure a 5* dunk attempt against WS. The guy has some real explosiveness.
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That is what we need from him for his full 20 or so minutes. I think that showed a little glimpse of what we are going to have with him in a year or so. His shot is so smooth. Best shot I've seen from a Vol in a long time. He just needs to build his confidence up.
 
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Sandvol said:
Believe he was the 20th ranked player but didn't get picked. Either they knew something or there were a lot of shooting guards ahead of him and they needed other positions.
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Rivals; 23rd nationally - 5th SG
Scout; 2nd SG

Wonder how McDonalds picks?
 
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cncchris33 said:
If Hubbs is averaging 17 ppg by his junior year and a 1st team All-SEC player, will you be happy with him?
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Chris that is a hard question to answer because there are so many unknowns in that equation. For example:

Is he playing on a team that has 2 or 3 more consistent scorers?

Is he still passing up opportunities to be aggressive and look to score?

Obviously 17 ppg is a good number but do I think knowing hubbs skillset that he couldn't avg. 20+ absolutely not.
 
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allvol21 said:
Chris that is a hard question to answer because there are so many unknowns in that equation. For example:

Is he playing on a team that has 2 or 3 more consistent scorers?

Is he still passing up opportunities to be aggressive and look to score?

Obviously 17 ppg is a good number but do I think knowing hubbs skillset that he couldn't avg. 20+ absolutely not.
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McRae is flirting with 20 a game so I guess you could say that it's possible. Hubbs just has to get more aggressive. McRae wasn't even close to the level he is now his freshman year and wasn't as aggressive either. So we'll have to just wait and see what happens.
 
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allvol21 said:
Chris that is a hard question to answer because there are so many unknowns in that equation. For example:

Is he playing on a team that has 2 or 3 more consistent scorers?

Is he still passing up opportunities to be aggressive and look to score?

Obviously 17 ppg is a good number but do I think knowing hubbs skillset that he couldn't avg. 20+ absolutely not.
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Nine games into hus freshman season is a little early to be making these assessments though. He passes up opportunities now that perhaps two months from now, he's comfortable taking himself. He is still trying to ease into the team dynamic, and quite honestly, we don't necessarily NEED him to be a scorer right now. McRae, Stokes, Barton, Maymon, & maybe even Richardson are more comfortable in their offensive roles. I'm much more comfortable with Hubbs easing himself in versus trying to take over a senior-laden team. Now if we had zero scoring options and Hubbs was the potential "answer" to our scoring problems, and was still passing up scoring opportunities, then I think it would be cause for concern.

Scotty Hopson came into a similar situation his freshman year with Wayne Chism, Tyler Smith, Bobby Maze and JP Prince. He was much maligned for being too passive as well, and never lived it down from many UT fans, but he improved every year, and by his junior season was averaging 17ppg and was a 1st team All-SEC player.

Not all 5* players come in and set the world on fire from the jump.
 
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Stoked4Zo said:
McRae is flirting with 20 a game so I guess you could say that it's possible. Hubbs just has to get more aggressive. McRae wasn't even close to the level he is now his freshman year and wasn't as aggressive either. So we'll have to just wait and see what happens.
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I'm just going to say I love McRae
 
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cncchris33 said:
Nine games into hus freshman season is a little early to be making these assessments though.

Not all 5* players come in and set the world on fire from the jump.
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Do I think it's early to tell that he is playing pretty passive and often disappears when he is in the game for minutes at a time? No.

The point is not that Hubbs doesn't have the potential to be a great player here, no one can know that for sure at this point. I just zero confidence that he will develop into the player he could be under someone else.

To the point about 5* that is true they all don't. But all great players make an impact early and often. That doesn't mean force bad shots and jack something up every time you touch the ball. Good scorers don't usually ease into their offensive role they look to score.
 
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