Robert Marve

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RhodeIslandVol said:
Eh...why?

If you didn't know Schaeffer, and he had the exact same stats as Marve, who would you take?

All I'm saying.
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Ya, I see what you are saying. But in my opinion, I see Marve as an athletic QB and I see Schaeffer as just an athlete. Not saying you couldn't win with Schaeffer as a QB, because I think you can - see Vick, Young, etc. I just think the percentages are higher with a guy like Marve.
 
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JZVOL said:
Not at all. They have about the same speed (Brent is a little faster) but Marve's arm is tons better.

Marve, for a qb, is the one with better measureables.
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Schaeffer's arm wasn't weak or anything.

And 6'3, 190 compared to 6'1...whatever I'd have to look it up.

I have a hard time believing Marve is more talented than Schaeffer. Maybe I'm thinking talent in a different fashion, I don't know. Regardless, if an unknown Brent Schaeffer and Robert Marve were trying to come here, and I had to choose one, I'd be the moron to want Schaeffer. The rest of you morons would choose Marve? :)
 
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SpringBokVol said:
Ya, I see what you are saying. But in my opinion, I see Marve as an athletic QB and I see Schaeffer as just an athlete. Not saying you couldn't win with Schaeffer as a QB, because I think you can - see Vick, Young, etc. I just think the percentages are higher with a guy like Marve.
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Fair enough. Would you take Newton over Marve?

Wait, are we even going to get Marve?
 
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RhodeIslandVol said:
Schaeffer's arm wasn't weak or anything.

And 6'3, 190 compared to 6'1...whatever I'd have to look it up.

I have a hard time believing Marve is more talented than Schaeffer. Maybe I'm thinking talent in a different fashion, I don't know. Regardless, if an unknown Brent Schaeffer and Robert Marve were trying to come here, and I had to choose one, I'd be the moron to want Schaeffer. The rest of you morons would choose Marve? :)
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It's average. Marve has an NFL arm, Schaeffer didn't.

Marve had a better freshman year than Matt Stafford.

Schaeffer completed less than 50% of his passes at UT and had 66 yards rushing for the season.

Plus Marve was on a worse team than all three mentioned.

Marve is on a totally different skill level than Schaeffer.
 
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RhodeIslandVol said:
Fair enough. Would you take Newton over Marve?

Wait, are we even going to get Marve?
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Marve vs. Newton:

For me, I would take Marve and only for the fact that he would be at UT for 2009 season learning the offense and running the scout team.

If all things were equal, I would take Newton because he is an absolute freak of an athlete.

And yes, I think UT is going to get Marve. If for some reason they do not, I think Newton would be the next target.

I firmly believe this staff does not feel that a HS QB in this class can come in and start immediately. And they do not want Stephens running the show in 2010 either.
 
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JZVOL said:
It's average. Marve has an NFL arm, Schaeffer didn't.

Marve had a better freshman year than Matt Stafford.

Schaeffer completed less than 50% of his passes at UT and had 66 yards rushing for the season.

Plus Marve was on a worse team than all three mentioned.

Marve is on a totally different skill level than Schaeffer.
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Schaeffer was the #1 JUCO QB coming out of...JUCO.

Marve played against some pretty lame competition, still managed to throw 13 picks, 9 TDs, and 1200 some odd yards. Compared to Schaeffer's 1400, 9 td and 10 picks at Ole Miss.

But I'll give you the big arm, you gotta take the height and speed, though. Both have shoddy brains. But I'm really not trying to compare them now, just coming out of high school. Marve is not head and shoulders above Schaeffer from a talent stand point.
 
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RhodeIslandVol said:
Marve played against some pretty lame competition, still managed to throw 13 picks, 9 TDs, and 1200 some odd yards.
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The ACC is the 2nd best defensive conference easily. Look at the players on D that they put in the NFL year in and year out. The ACC had a million teams in bowl games last year as well. I mean, none of them are exceptional, but they are all solid. And don't forget that Shannon had this "great" idea to keep switching Marve and Harris out during the game. So Marve was not playing the whole game and was never allowed to get into rythym...
 
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RhodeIslandVol said:
Schaeffer was the #1 JUCO QB coming out of...JUCO.

Marve played against some pretty lame competition, still managed to throw 13 picks, 9 TDs, and 1200 some odd yards. Compared to Schaeffer's 1400, 9 td and 10 picks at Ole Miss.

But I'll give you the big arm, you gotta take the height and speed, though. Both have shoddy brains. But I'm really not trying to compare them now, just coming out of high school. Marve is not head and shoulders above Schaeffer from a talent stand point.
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Projecting at the qb position he is. Marve's freshman stats compared to Schaeffer's stats are far better on a worse team.

An inch or two and a 4.55 versus 4.65 does not mean a lot for a qb when you factor in the arm.

Also look at the schools that recruited them out of high school and that also tells a lot about how valued they were.
 
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SpringBokVol said:
I firmly believe this staff does not feel that a HS QB in this class can come in and start immediately. And they do not want Stephens running the show in 2010 either.
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Just an observation...

It may be happenstance, but since there really wasn't much talk about JUCO's before BJ left, I wonder if they had more confidence in him. If so, he certainly quit too early.
 
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Lord Vader said:
The ACC is the 2nd best defensive conference easily. Look at the players on D that they put in the NFL year in and year out. The ACC had a million teams in bowl games last year as well. I mean, none of them are exceptional, but they are all solid. And don't forget that Shannon had this "great" idea to keep switching Marve and Harris out during the game. So Marve was not playing the whole game and was never allowed to get into rythym...
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First of all--I think Marve rocks.

So keep in mind, when SpringBok (I believe) said "He's the most talented QB since Manning," I'm going out on a limb and saying that Schaeffer was right up there in our eyes, when we got there. The way he panned out--he sucked. I'll even put Ainge at or greater than Marve's level. Truth be told, we really don't know. If Marve comes here, sucks, and leaves, we can all say for sure that "wow he was awful." I think he's extremely talented, but Schaeffer was equally there coming in, IMO.

Crompton, for instance, should have an assload of talent. Big arm, good mobility, great stats in high school. Is he more talented than Marve? Eh...Newton more talented than Marve..? Eh...Who would you take out of high school? That's really all I can ask. We have grounds for comparisons that have left poor tastes in our mouths, so it's really unfounded to even do so.

I'm just kind of off on this one I guess, I dunno, I don't really even like Schaeffer that much.
 
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JZVOL said:
Projecting at the qb position he is. Marve's freshman stats compared to Schaeffer's stats are far better on a worse team.

An inch or two and a 4.55 versus 4.65 does not mean a lot for a qb when you factor in the arm.

Also look at the schools that recruited them out of high school and that also tells a lot about how valued they were.
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Frosh Schaeffer played, got messed up, and shared time with Ainge, right?

Really, if you put Schaeffer on Georgia Tech's squad, how talented would he be then? Pure pocket passer he was not...but talent-wise, come on! Who would you want on a pick-up game?

As far as offers, KSU, UT, and Auburn (circa 2004) compared to...Bama, Miami, Michigan State (circa 2007)...I fail to see a value difference.

Regardless, I'll take your word for it. But the more I delve...the more eerily similar this sounds..
 
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Marve was more heralded coming out of high school than Btent Schaefer. You need to watch Marve's vids and compare them to JC. Not even close. Marve was spectacular against better competition. Trust me if you don't have access.
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If Marve isn't allowed to talk to the coaches, are we even sure if they are interested in him? I mean, he would be free for us to bring in, but if the coaches didn't really want him because he might hurt our chances of getting Cam Newton to transfer in or our chances of bringing in a top recruit. I think our coaches could turn him into a good player for UT, but often wonder what they really think of this kid since they can't talk about him or even talk to him.
 
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rbell said:
If Marve isn't allowed to talk to the coaches, are we even sure if they are interested in him? I mean, he would be free for us to bring in, but if the coaches didn't really want him because he might hurt our chances of getting Cam Newton to transfer in or our chances of bringing in a top recruit. I think our coaches could turn him into a good player for UT, but often wonder what they really think of this kid since they can't talk about him or even talk to him.
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You're serious with this question?
 
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MDBJJC said:
Marve was more heralded coming out of high school than Btent Schaefer. You need to watch Marve's vids and compare them to JC. Not even close. Marve was spectacular against better competition. Trust me if you don't have access.
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I guess I have no choice. So no one really thinks we've have a more talented QB than Marve come down the pike? Marve is good, but I just find that hard to believe. What about ainge? Played behind an awful line, put up some great numbers. Tee Martin? Ultra-clutch. How can you possibly compare this, anyway?
 
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RhodeIslandVol said:
Frosh Schaeffer played, got messed up, and shared time with Ainge, right?

Really, if you put Schaeffer on Georgia Tech's squad, how talented would he be then? Pure pocket passer he was not...but talent-wise, come on! Who would you want on a pick-up game?

As far as offers, KSU, UT, and Auburn (circa 2004) compared to...Bama, Miami, Michigan State (circa 2007)...I fail to see a value difference.

Regardless, I'll take your word for it. But the more I delve...the more eerily similar this sounds..
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Schaeffer's body would survive as an option qb.

I'm not being mean but they aren't playing a pick-up game.

Marve broke Tebow's records in the same state Schaeffer played.

If anything it's more similar to Jevan Snead or Troy Aikman.
 
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RhodeIslandVol said:
I guess I have no choice. So no one really thinks we've have a more talented QB than Marve come down the pike? Marve is good, but I just find that hard to believe. What about ainge? Played behind an awful line, put up some great numbers. Tee Martin? Ultra-clutch. How can you possibly compare this, anyway?
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Talented? Probably not. That doesn't mean he's going to be as good, but the potential is there.
 
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JZVOL said:
Talented? Probably not. That doesn't mean he's going to be as good, but the potential is there.
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I know he's extremely talented, I know his HS numbers, his situation at Miami, etc etc. I just...hmmm...I just find that hard to believe that we haven't had a QB in over a decade that was as talented.

It just seems impossible to compare his unproven talent with washed-up talent (Schaeffer), no talent (clausen), and thought-he-had-talent, talent (Crompton).

Let's say he comes here, sucks, and gets out of dodge only to suck it up elsewhere. Is he still as talented? How easy is it to look back on what was, as opposed to what you think will be?
 
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Will ESPN be able to wipe the egg off the screen when Marve commits to play at UT on Friday? I love making a mockery of opinions.
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