Rodger Hitler Godell is a moron/Vicious hits (merged)

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#26
milohimself said:
Teddy Bruschi had some good comments about it on Sportscenter... The tackles the league is worried about are basically ones where the defensive player turns his body into a projectile, and rarely are the arms being used here. Since you're losing directional control of your body, 1. aim for the chest instead of under the chin and 2. turn your shoulder into it instead of staying straight and tucking your head.
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Robinson turned his shoulder into it and naturally your body brings you up, usually it winds up into the ball carrier's chin. This is how they've been taught to tackle for years. Now all of a sudden, after the NFL has made millions off of hard hits, packing stands and selling videos made specifically about the hard hits, the NFL decides no more. And to make it worse, they implement the rule on a Tuesday and fine players from the previous Sunday? That's bulls**t.
 
#27
#27
I love how the NFL fines people now for legal hits....

Goodell has pretty much ruined the NFL for me. It's just not fun to watch any more. Between the inconsistencies in the personal conduct policy(BTW, I got a real problem with the league intervening in people's personal lives, but that's another discussion), and the other problems that seem to plague this league, it's pretty much background noise for me now.
 
#28
#28
Most of the pressure on the NFL/Goodell to tone down the hitting is coming from the players.

Steve Young also said it's simply a case of terrible QB play. John Gruden weighed in with agreement that it's young/inexperienced WRs who are running man routes against zone coverage and being led into these horrendous hits further worsened by poor QB decisions and throws.

If this has ruined the NFL for you... well... have fun watching baseball and basketball, I guess.
 
#29
#29
What, so they just let the hard hits continue? That makes no sense.

If players on offense are paid hundreds of thousands to millions of dollars to take hits, players on defense getting paid the same can damned sure learn to change how they deliver a big hit so they don't use their head and can do a reasonable job of keeping the other players head out of it as well.
 
#30
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DC Vol said:
Most of the pressure on the NFL/Goodell to tone down the hitting is coming from the players.

Steve Young also said it's simply a case of terrible QB play. John Gruden weighed in with agreement that it's young/inexperienced WRs who are running man routes against zone coverage and being led into these horrendous hits further worsened by poor QB decisions and throws.

If this has ruined the NFL for you... well... have fun watching baseball and basketball, I guess.
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And Trent Dilfer quickly shot it down saying it's always been a problem with qbs and pointing out the Brett Favre has led more people into traffic than any other qb ever. Young even admitted that he agreed.
 
#32
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milohimself said:
What, so they just let the hard hits continue? That makes no sense.

If players on offense are paid hundreds of thousands to millions of dollars to take hits, players on defense getting paid the same can damned sure learn to change how they deliver a big hit so they don't use their head and can do a reasonable job of keeping the other players head out of it as well.
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So a defensive player, from the age of 5, up until now, has learned to hit one way. Now that he's in the NFL, he's gotta learn how to tackle in a different way?

That's BS, man.
 
#33
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milohimself said:
BTW the NFL didn't sell the pictures of the Harrison hit, it was a 3rd party.
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They have sold millions of videos that were all about hard hits and nothing else. They love to mic up the sounds from the game and they want that sound of a crushing hit. It's very hypocritical. "Stink" on ESPN made quite the comment that it's too bad the "NHL" is already taken because the NFL should rename themselves the National Hypocrite League.
 
#34
#34
These rule changes are going to lead to a lot more offensive production in the NFL... But that's the price that has to be paid. For the players sake, I would much rather have high scoring games than dozens of head/neck/spinal injuries every month.

I only played full contact through HS and I've already got knee and hip issues I'm going to deal with for the rest of my life. I can only imagine how guys who played twice as long as I have are going to deal with it.
 
#36
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nickknx865 said:
So a defensive player, from the age of 5, up until now, has learned to hit one way. Now that he's in the NFL, he's gotta learn how to tackle in a different way?

That's BS, man.
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It needs to change from the ground up.

Doesn't matter when they learn it. It's wrong. Wrong, wrong, wrong. They have already been teaching kids to tackle differently from how they used to, and guys who learned it the old way are simply going to have to adapt. It's tough, but it has to be done.

The game of football has been changing and evolving for 120 years to accommodate for safety of the players, and it will continue to do so.
 
#37
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milohimself said:
I only played full contact through HS and I've already got knee and hip issues I'm going to deal with for the rest of my life. I can only imagine how guys who played twice as long as I have are going to deal with it.
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so what's next? Taking jumping out of basketball? That has been the downfall of thousands of player's knees in that game. No more sliding in baseball because they could tear up their leg? it's parts of the game. Like "Stink" said, let the NFL just play two hand touch. That way everyone will be safe.
 
#39
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volfanbill said:
They have sold millions of videos that were all about hard hits and nothing else. They love to mic up the sounds from the game and they want that sound of a crushing hit. It's very hypocritical. "Stink" on ESPN made quite the comment that it's too bad the "NHL" is already taken because the NFL should rename themselves the National Hypocrite League.
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My response would be this: Get over it.

kev20 said:
I played db in high school and was never taught to tackle without wrapping up.
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Same... I played from 3rd grade through HS ('98-'06) and was taught the whole way to aim between the waist and sternum and move my head to the side and wrap up. I played OT/DT when I was younger because I was larger than everybody else... Then they all passed me up in size and I moved to DE/OLB
 
#41
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volfanbill said:
And Trent Dilfer quickly shot it down saying it's always been a problem with qbs and pointing out the Brett Favre has led more people into traffic than any other qb ever. Young even admitted that he agreed.
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"Since you can't legislate bad QB play, you have to legislate the hitting".

I enjoy a big hit like anyone else, but I don't find enjoyment in a young man risking permanent brain damage or paralysis due to a mongoloid that is simply trying to appease other mouth-breathing neckbeards.
 
#42
#42
volfanbill said:
so what's next? Taking jumping out of basketball? That has been the downfall of thousands of player's knees in that game. No more sliding in baseball because they could tear up their leg? it's parts of the game. Like "Stink" said, let the NFL just play two hand touch. That way everyone will be safe.
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Relate it to head shots. There is a world of difference between sacrificing your limbs for the game and risking your long term mental health and throwing safety for your neck and spine to the wind.
 
#43
#43
Another reason a lot of people try and eliminate somebody on the field nowadays is because you can gain a ton of rep on the practice field by cleaning somebody's clock with a thundershot.
 
#44
#44
volfanbill said:
so what's next? Taking jumping out of basketball? That has been the downfall of thousands of player's knees in that game. No more sliding in baseball because they could tear up their leg? it's parts of the game. Like "Stink" said, let the NFL just play two hand touch. That way everyone will be safe.
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My Lord.

You can't tell the difference between a "pad pop" hit and a helmet-to-helmet hit? This is about curbing brain and spinal injuries due to a particular type of hit. Not big hits in general.

Goodell is a very smart man and knows that the flash of the sport... the big passes, runs, hits, salaries and venues makes the NFL what it is.
 
#45
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milohimself said:
Relate it to head shots. There is a world of difference between sacrificing your limbs for the game and risking your long term mental health and throwing safety for your neck and spine to the wind.
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and I already established that headshots were bad, but Robinson's hit and the second hit by Harrison were just hard hits. I'd throw someone out of the game and suspend them at least two more for head shots. But that's not what this argument is about. everyone agrees that headshots are bad, but laying people out with clean hits is just a part of the game, and it was just as dangerous for Chris Carter to run across the middle 15 years ago as it is today.
 
#46
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milohimself said:
Relate it to head shots. There is a world of difference between sacrificing your limbs for the game and risking your long term mental health and throwing safety for your neck and spine to the wind.
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I've got no problem with suspending people for flagrant head shots.

The problem, with me, is that a lot of the crushing hits I saw on Sunday were completely within the rules set out by the NFL.
 
#47
#47
volfanbill said:
that's the best you've got? Incredibly weak.
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What's weak? The NFL should not do anything about head injuries because they've profited off of them? Where is the logic in that? Preferring that an organization continue a backwards way of thinking because they've benefited from it and changing directions would be hypocritical is ridiculous.
 
#48
#48
nickknx865 said:
Another reason a lot of people try and eliminate somebody on the field nowadays is because you can gain a ton of rep on the practice field by cleaning somebody's clock with a thundershot.
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Now they can brag about that sort of thing while they miss the next game.
 
#49
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DC Vol said:
My Lord.

You can't tell the difference between a "pad pop" hit and a helmet-to-helmet hit? This is about curbing brain and spinal injuries due to a particular type of hit. Not big hits in general.

Goodell is a very smart man and knows that the flash of the sport... the big passes, runs, hits, salaries and venues makes the NFL what it is.
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Pay attention to the argument. Two of the four hits last week that led to this argument weren't helmet to helmet. And one of the two that was helmet to helmet sure looked unintentional. They are calling for hard hits to be fined and suspended. Maybe some research will help you before you delve into more of this conversation.
 
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