Roe vs Wade Overturned

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NCFisher said:
You're repeating yourself. Bottom line is the mother and child did not have to go out of state. I'd also like to know how the girl is raped on at least two occasions, when did Mom know, and why she's six weeks pregnant before Mom makes a move.

Everyone, none more than you, should learn to hold their water. Some on the right expressed skepticism while others termed it a lie. That happens when an outlet single-sources, makes implication that is not true, and the source is the vested claimant. Literally no one could verify the story until yesterday when an arrest was made. If I'm Yost, I'm asking the DA and mayor why this was a covert investigation given that it's had more than a week news cycle.

There's a difference between erroneously thinking you must go out of state and state law forcing you to. People who don't waste crises turn rumor or half-truth into messaging campaigns, and that is what Biden did. That and the fact that "professional journalists" have not recanted or apologized for any of the scores of hoaxes they perpetuated for six years now, is what I took issue with.

I'll try to be more fun going forward.
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This isn't true. Incredibly, the Attorney General of Ohio went on television with a false claim. He was identifying the age of the girl (10 years old) as a medical condition. That child's abortion could not have been legally performed in the state of Ohio. I will say it again, Dave Yost looks like an a$$ (and so do you, but that is expected).

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McDad said:
I will be surprised if there isn't a professional misconduct levied for violating HIPAA.
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Dr. Caitlin Bernard covered that too. The mother of the 10 year old signed a waiver of HIPAA authorization. Dr. Bernard knew the scrutiny that she would be under for this story, and she appears to have covered herself very well for the ensuing Republican onslaught.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
How do figure that? LOL.

The right-wing jumped the gun on this story being a hoax, and now they have egg on their face. The story that Biden recounted of a 10 year old rape victim traveling from Ohio to Indiana to have an abortion performed turned out to be accurate ... and you are bummed out by that.
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You take satisfaction in a 10-year-old being raped and having to have an abortion being true? I would hope we could all agree that none of us would want that to be true. It certainly "bums me out" that it is true.

State laws should certainly allow for exceptions such as these. It still doesn't support that abortion needs to be federalized. The federal government does not need to be in charge of everything. It is up to the people in each state to make their voices heard.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
This isn't true. Incredibly, the Attorney General of Ohio went on television with a false claim. He was identifying the age of the girl (10 years old) as a medical condition. That child's abortion could not have been legally performed in the state of Ohio. I will say it again, Dave Yost looks like an a$$ (and so do you, but that is expected).

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This claim?
On Monday’s broadcast of the Fox News Channel’s “Jesse Watters Primetime,” Ohio Attorney General Dave Yost (R) stated that Ohio’s abortion law “has a medical emergency exception, broader than just the life of the mother.” And that even if the story about a 10-year-old rape victim in Ohio having to travel to Indiana to obtain an abortion is true, “she did not have to leave Ohio to find treatment.” Yost also said that if the story is true, the original doctor in Ohio who treated the victim committed a crime by failing to report the story despite being a mandated reporter.

In addition to stating that he hasn’t heard anything from local law enforcement about anyone investigating a crime like this and stating the state crime lab has “no case request for analysis that looks anything like this.” Yost addressed what would happen if the story turns out to be true.

Yost stated, “Speaking of hoaxes, though, can I correct something that everybody’s reporting wrong nationally? Ohio’s heartbeat law has a medical emergency exception, broader than just the life of the mother. She — this young girl, if she exists and if this horrible thing actually happened to her, it breaks my heart to think about it — she did not have to leave Ohio to find treatment.”

Earlier in the interview, Yost said, “We don’t know who the originating doctor in Ohio was, if they even exist. But the bottom line is it is a crime, if you’re a mandated reporter, to fail to report.”

This part of the law?
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(A) Except as provided in division (B) of this section, no person shall knowingly and purposefully perform or induce an abortion on a pregnant woman with the specific intent of causing or abetting the termination of the life of the unborn human individual the pregnant woman is carrying and whose fetal heartbeat has been detected in accordance with division (A) of section 2919.192 of the Revised Code.

Whoever violates this division is guilty of performing or inducing an abortion after the detection of a fetal heartbeat, a felony of the fifth degree.

(B) Division (A) of this section does not apply to a physician who performs a medical procedure that, in the physician's reasonable medical judgment, is designed or intended to prevent the death of the pregnant woman or to prevent a serious risk of the substantial and irreversible impairment of a major bodily function of the pregnant woman.

A physician who performs a medical procedure as described in this division shall declare, in a written document, that the medical procedure is necessary, to the best of the physician's reasonable medical judgment, to prevent the death of the pregnant woman or to prevent a serious risk of the substantial and irreversible impairment of a major bodily function of the pregnant woman. In the document, the physician shall specify the pregnant woman's medical condition that the medical procedure is asserted to address and the medical rationale for the physician's conclusion that the medical procedure is necessary to prevent the death of the pregnant woman or to prevent a serious risk of the substantial and irreversible impairment of a major bodily function of the pregnant woman.
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So the statute applies to women, which a barely 10yo girl is not, and who can be deemed in a physician's reasonable medical judgment to be either at risk of death or substantial and irreversible impairment of a major bodily function to necessitate an abortion.

A state AG is enforcer of state law. If that AG says the law exempts such a case, who're you to say different? This is why Turley agreed the law provides that exemption.

My "misinformation" is you being wild-eyed and wrong as usual.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Dr. Caitlin Bernard covered that too. The mother of the 10 year old signed a waiver of HIPAA authorization. Dr. Bernard knew the scrutiny that she would be under for this story, and she appears to have covered herself very well for the ensuing Republican onslaught.
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That might cover her. If is a standard waiver, it may not be enough. This story in nationwide. The actors in it are coming to light. This, to me, would be an extraordinary situation.

Maybe @kiddiedoc can comment.
 
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NCFisher said:
A state AG is enforcer of state law. If that AG says the law exempts such a case, who're you to say different? This is why Turley agreed the law provides that exemption.
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The State Attorney General doesn't make the law that physicians are required to follow. It's not "whatever he says goes." The 10 year old girl was denied an abortion in Ohio, because the physicians who examined her evidently didn't think her life was at risk due to the pregnancy, and understandably, those physicians weren't taking any chances. What was the mother supposed to do at that point?
 
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Weezer said:
You take satisfaction in a 10-year-old being raped and having to have an abortion being true? I would hope we could all agree that none of us would want that to be true. It certainly "bums me out" that it is true.

State laws should certainly allow for exceptions such as these. It still doesn't support that abortion needs to be federalized. The federal government does not need to be in charge of everything. It is up to the people in each state to make their voices heard.
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I take no satisfaction at all... but the conduct of Republicans on this story has been horrendous. They were too quick to call this story a lie - see Rep. Jim Jordan ... and now that the story has been confirmed, they want to change the issue to the undocumented status of the rapist.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
I take no satisfaction at all... but the conduct of Republicans on this story has been horrendous. They were too quick to call this story a lie - see Rep. Jim Jordan ... and now that the story has been confirmed, they want to change the issue to the undocumented status of the rapist.
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So let's review. You are butthurt because this girl had to be taken across state lines to get an abortion. Given the fact that it is looking like the rapist had repeatedly done that, AND was the mother's live in boyfriend is just a side story that has no bearing on any of it. Is that about right?

Or would it be OK if we hanged that ****ing bastard in the town square, and stopped allowing more of his kind to enter the country?
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
So let's review. You are butthurt because this girl had to be taken across state lines to get an abortion. Given the fact that it is looking like the rapist had repeatedly done that, AND was the mother's live in boyfriend is just a side story that has no bearing on any of it. Is that about right?

Or would it be OK if we hanged that ****ing bastard in the town square, and stopped allowing more of his kind to enter the country?
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What?

The rapist was in a romance with the girl's mother?
 
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McDad said:
What?

The rapist was in a romance with the girl's mother?
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It looks that way. That would explain how he had repeated access to the daughter. The mother appears to be a lowlife as well. That 10 year old girl should be put in foster care and given a fair chance at life... but she won't be.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
The State Attorney General doesn't make the law that physicians are required to follow. It's not "whatever he says goes." The 10 year old girl was denied an abortion in Ohio, because the physicians who examined her evidently didn't think her life was at risk due to the pregnancy, and understandably, those physicians weren't taking any chances. What was the mother supposed to do at that point?
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I think perhaps the Ohio physicians were clinic abortionists who, as you state, didn't want to deal with it. OH now has a case to sharpen the law if too ambiguous. The AG can decline or decide to prosecute, so it is what he says goes.

Given that Mom is now openly defending the accused rapist, she might have done a number of things before the 6 weeks point. I want to see what actually happened here.
 
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NCFisher said:
I think perhaps the Ohio physicians were clinic abortionists who, as you state, didn't want to deal with it. OH now has a case to sharpen the law if too ambiguous. The AG can decline or decide to prosecute, so it is what he says goes.

Given that Mom is now openly defending the accused rapist, she might have done a number of things before the 6 weeks point. I want to see what actually happened here.
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That is outrageous. The guy was her boyfriend... the girl should be taken away. She has no chance at a decent life where she is. She will probably be raped again, by the next druggie loser mom brings home. This is sick.
 
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