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#127
But again, why is that unbelievable to you? The NFL has arguably the toughest commissioner of all the major sports and isn't putting up with any crap from anyone. Skin tone has nothing to do with it. "You do the crime, you do the time".

btw...I'm certainly speaking of recent times....not all time..
 
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#128
volmanbill said:
But again, why is that unbelievable to you? The NFL has arguably the toughest commissioner of all the major sports and isn't putting up with any crap from anyone. Skin tone has nothing to do with it. "You do the crime, you do the time".

btw...I'm certainly speaking of recent times....not all time..
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I'm not sure why you're having a hard time with this. I know the NFL has a tough conduct policy. I'm just saying the fact that no white player having been disciplined under that policy surprises me. That's all.
 
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#129
dobre_shunka said:
Odd how so many people were so silent for so long. Not that I'm implying some of these people may have ulterior motives of their own such as looking for their 15 minutes of fame or a financial settlement.
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that is exactly my thoughts and why i am so intrigued. the ga case tells me that the victim did not want to be in the spotlight, thus not wanting to press charges, so i have to give her some sort of credibility in the matter. she also might not have felt anything was wrong that night, but that to me is more doubtful. she may not have wanted to have her entire life analyzed and then be countersued to the point of her owing ben money for the rest of her life. all are possibilities. time will tell if a civil trial ever comes about, but i really do not think it will for the above reasons. but i can understand both sides of why people would or would not come forward.
 
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Heebs said:
Well there was an instance of exactly the opposite, a woman in Las Vegas decided not to press charges or file suit because of the media storm that would ensue. And this woman in Georgia did not want to go to trial because of the fact that she would get her 15 minutes of fame.

If anything, that has been a deterring factor, or else Big Ben may be going door to door in his neighborhood by now.
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good point.
 
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**ORANGEBLOOD** said:
I haven't read all of this, but did yall know the NFL has never suspended a white player under the player conduct policy? Thats unbelievable to me.
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Well I think the bigger trend is that Goodell doesn't suspend the guys who are "jersey sellers"

or at least, he's much more hesitant too
 
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blupotato said:
she may not have wanted to have her entire life analyzed.
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She may not want that night analyzed because her stories never were consistent or made any sense including her saying she didn't know if they had sex to they had sex while she sat on the toilet. Wearing a pin that read "DTF" (Down to F___) and being so drunk that she couldn't stand up when talking to the cops later night doesn't cast her in a positive light either.

blupotato said:
then be countersued to the point of her owing ben money for the rest of her life.
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A 20 year college student is judgement proof. Unless she's some sort of trust fund baby, she likely has no substansial assests and even if she lost a judgement, all she'd have to do is go bankrupt and that would erase all money she owed.
 
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dobre_shunka said:
She may not want that night analyzed because her stories never were consistent or made any sense including her saying she didn't know if they had sex to they had sex while she sat on the toilet. Wearing a pin that read "DTF" (Down to F___) and being so drunk that she couldn't stand up when talking to the cops later night doesn't cast her in a positive light either.



A 20 year college student is judgement proof. Unless she's some sort of trust fund baby, she likely has no substansial assests and even if she lost a judgement, all she'd have to do is go bankrupt and that would erase all money she owed.
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her wearing a sleezy shirt and being so hammered drunk on alcohol that probably was provided by ben does not make it right for any guy to take advantage of, and going bankrupt at 20 does not seem as sweet as you have portrayed it to be. i do not think it would stop ben's crooked law team to hunt her and her family down for every penny they could get.
 
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dobre_shunka said:
She may not want that night analyzed because her stories never were consistent or made any sense including her saying she didn't know if they had sex to they had sex while she sat on the toilet. Wearing a pin that read "DTF" (Down to F___) and being so drunk that she couldn't stand up when talking to the cops later night doesn't cast her in a positive light either.
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And Ben's explanations were "We did [sexual] stuff and then she hit her head"

both sides are littered with stories/statements like that


I'm also a bit confused by your last statement. I don't think you're meaning for it to, but it keeps sounding a whole lot almost like "she wanted it the way she was dressed/acting" :ermm: I might be wrong, but I'm left a bit confused
 
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dobre_shunka said:
All the other people? I don't recall anyone from Ben's group saying a rape occurred including the off duty policeman and state trooper. Did any of the other bar patrons interviewed report anything? Where did you see those comments? I've just read the accusser's two companions made the claim. Even the accuser initially didn't say anything happened:

When the officer on the spot said "I need to talk to the alleged victim, not you," he asked the alleged victim if Roethlisberger had raped her. She said "No." When asked if the two had sex, she said "well, I'm not sure."

So two people out of at least 10 or 12 equal everyone even when the accuser isn't one of them initially?

Should Roethlisberger be pulling stunts like this? No and he should be read the riot act and suspended/fined. But in the sameway that being drunk of your backside and agreeing to go into a bathroom with a guy in bar doesn't mean you deserve to be raped neither does having mutual intimate contact mean you should be labeled a rapist by the woman after her friends tell her she was raped and she has regrets the next day when she sobers up.
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Oddly enough, everything I've learned about what not to do with girls seems to suggest that in a simple he said/she said everyday case among the average person, that can be enough to rule in her favor


now of course this one involves someone famous with a whole lot of money to spend of his legal team, so that can completely throw this kind of thing in a different direction (no i'm not labelling him; though I do wish celebrity law didn't have that seemingly different standards than regular law does)
 
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TrueOrange said:
And Ben's explanations were "We did [sexual] stuff and then she hit her head"

both sides are littered with stories/statements like that
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So you saying Roethlisberger stated she hit her head and then later contradicted himself by saying she didn't hit her head? And even if he did, is that statement as relevant as her contradictory statements about having sex or not knowing if she had sex and being raped to not being raped? The crux of the matter is rape, not her bumping her head.


TrueOrange said:
I'm also a bit confused by your last statement. I don't think you're meaning for it to, but it keeps sounding a whole lot almost like "she wanted it the way she was dressed/acting" :ermm: I might be wrong, but I'm left a bit confused
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In my opinion, yeah, she wanted it. She wanted Ben's attention and that was evident by pinching him and other physical contact she initiated. Then she went into the bathroom of her own volition and willingly engaged in sex. It wasn't until she was back in the company of her friends and had been under their influence did she start with the rape allegations. Wouldn’t be the first time someone had sex then regretted later.
 
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dobre_shunka said:
So you saying Roethlisberger stated she hit her head and then later contradicted himself by saying she didn't hit her head? And even if he did, is that statement as relevant as her contradictory statements about having sex or not knowing if she had sex and being raped to not being raped? The crux of the matter is rape, not her bumping her head.




In my opinion, yeah, she wanted it. She wanted Ben's attention and that was evident by pinching him and other physical contact she initiated. Then she went into the bathroom of her own volition and willingly engaged in sex. It wasn't until she was back in the company of her friends and had been under their influence did she start with the rape allegations. Wouldn’t be the first time someone had sex then regretted later.
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all good points. is the police report actually available for the public to view. i know it was released to the media. i have not really had a great deal of time to search around for it the past few days. i would like to read it and get a better grasp of both sides with some of that more detailed info.
 
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dobre_shunka said:
So you saying Roethlisberger stated she hit her head and then later contradicted himself by saying she didn't hit her head? And even if he did, is that statement as relevant as her contradictory statements about having sex or not knowing if she had sex and being raped to not being raped? The crux of the matter is rape, not her bumping her head.
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I didnt say it was; I'm getting at this is a weird case with weird statements by both sides. They're both making statements that you read and think "wait, what"
 
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VolBuck24 said:
Dumb move on Pittsburgh's part.
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Unless somehow they are getting a strong vibe from the fans that they do not want Big Ben to lead their team. Buffalo is a team that I think could get away with this without even taking too much of a media hit.
 
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Panthro said:
Unless somehow they are getting a strong vibe from the fans that they do not want Big Ben to lead their team. Buffalo is a team that I think could get away with this without even taking too much of a media hit.
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I just can't see trading away the qb that led them to 2 super bowls when he is only 28. IMO he shouldn't have even been suspended because he wasn't charged with anything.
 
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#147
VolBuck24 said:
I just can't see trading away the qb that led them to 2 super bowls when he is only 28. IMO he shouldn't have even been suspended because he wasn't charged with anything.
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I agree. I don't get why they are suspending him for 6 games. You can't fix stupidity.
 
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#148
The NFL has some serious background collecting resources. It's obvious that even though he has never been charged formally he has shown a track record of behavior like this. Agree with it or not but the NFL is big business and taking no action on a guy that has some known issues can create a PR nightmare. The NFL is protecting their image plain and simple.
 
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