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#152
#152
My problem with the personal conduct policy is I don't see it as fair punishment. Pacman got suspended a year without being convicted of anything, yet Tank Johnson went to jail and only got 6 games. Vick got an indefinite suspension and had to pretty much beg to be let back in.
 
#153
#153
VolBuck24 said:
My problem with the personal conduct policy is I don't see it as fair punishment. Pacman got suspended a year without being convicted of anything, yet Tank Johnson went to jail and only got 6 games. Vick got an indefinite suspension and had to pretty much beg to be let back in.
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I see what you are saying and understand the point. As I pointed out this is more about protecting the image and PR as anything. If you noticed the players you mentioned who got more negative press got longer suspensions. Vick because his story was huge news, Pac man because he never did anything to distance himself from the behavior and if anything perpetuated it. The more bad press you bring the league the worse the NFL will punish you for it.

Let's be honest here, Ben has a problem in the way he handles himself with women, it has been a long standing problem for him. He got some bad press the first time but it was handled and because he was a star they let it play out. When it came up again they were forced to act to protect the brand as they saw it. It is the way business like this works.
 
#154
#154
KB5252 said:
I see what you are saying and understand the point. As I pointed out this is more about protecting the image and PR as anything. If you noticed the players you mentioned who got more negative press got longer suspensions. Vick because his story was huge news, Pac man because he never did anything to distance himself from the behavior and if anything perpetuated it. The more bad press you bring the league the worse the NFL will punish you for it.

Let's be honest here, Ben has a problem in the way he handles himself with women, it has been a long standing problem for him. He got some bad press the first time but it was handled and because he was a star they let it play out. When it came up again they were forced to act to protect the brand as they saw it. It is the way business like this works.
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Yeah i understand your point, just kind of venting lol
 
#155
#155
Let's adopt naivety for one sec here and assume that he really didn't do anything worthy of being "convicted" of anything. Still, he had his bodyguard block a public bathroom door so he could use it for...you know. Conviction or not, that isn't fitting with the code of conduct Goodell is going for. You don't have to be an altar boy, but you are expected to at least keep yourself out of situations like this in the NFL. He's had at least three young ladies claim that he's forced himself upon them. Sounds to me like he may need a suspension or something to learn his lesson about the situations he puts himself in on a regular basis.
 
#156
#156
tnvolsfan85 said:
But yet they keep people like Ray Lewis? He doesn't hurt their image?
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The charges against Ray Lewis were dropped and it was one case. If he was involved in a 2nd murder investigation and not suspended then you'd have more of an argument.

This is 2 straight off-seasons where Roethlisberger's been accused of the same type of crime. Guilty or not, that's still gonna tarnish his and Pittsburgh's image.
 
#157
#157
Panthro said:
Let's adopt naivety for one sec here and assume that he really didn't do anything worthy of being "convicted" of anything. Still, he had his bodyguard block a public bathroom door so he could use it for...you know. Conviction or not, that isn't fitting with the code of conduct Goodell is going for. You don't have to be an altar boy, but you are expected to at least keep yourself out of situations like this in the NFL. He's had at least three young ladies claim that he's forced himself upon them. Sounds to me like he may need a suspension or something to learn his lesson about the situations he puts himself in on a regular basis.
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Exactly. At the least, he's setting himself up for these allegations by putting himself in bad situations.
 
#160
#160
Heebs said:
He got what he deserved.
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I think his behavior has been questionable, but the fact is he wasnt charged and therefore, imo, the 6 games is a little harsh. But there again, I am not the head honcho and it isnt my call. I am surprised that the NFLPA isnt jumping in of this, because 6 games is a bit much without being charged, much less convicted
 
#161
#161
Guys, if he worked in the real world he would have been fired long ago.

In our society perception can quickly become reality, and when your perceived as a rapist, well that is an imagine that you may never shake....guilty or not.

The guy obviously has problems, he is lucky sob, that is for sure.
 
#162
#162
GahLee said:
Guys, if he worked in the real world he would have been fired long ago.
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I am 100% confident that if I was in the same situation as he with my work, and I wasnt charged with anything nor convicted, I would keep my job. For the record my work involves national security(I know it sounds cliche) and if I were to get a DUI or anything along those lines I would be gone. I dont like what he has been accused of and imo he has dodged some bullets, but he has yet to have an official charge much less a conviction. If anything, he is getting more of a punishment than if he were in "the real world" imo.
 
#163
#163
BearCat204 said:
I am 100% confident that if I was in the same situation as he with my work, and I wasnt charged with anything nor convicted, I would keep my job. For the record my work involves national security(I know it sounds cliche) and if I were to get a DUI or anything along those lines I would be gone. I dont like what he has been accused of and imo he has dodged some bullets, but he has yet to have an official charge much less a conviction. If anything, he is getting more of a punishment than if he were in "the real world" imo.
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IMO, being accused of rape two times in two years is worse than a DUI.

In the real world, you would have some very concerned female workers, fortunately for him, he doesn't have that problem.

I understand that he wasn't charged, therefore how could you "fire" him. Well, it looks like he is essentially being fired by way of a trade...all the talk now is that the Steelers are looking to ship him out of town on the first plane available.
 
#165
#165
i can think it will be wittled down to 4 games, because it is really easy for ben to complete what he has to and not be accused of raping someone for a few months. but with this guy who knows. if the steelers can't end up finding a new home for him, they could just not play him. i don't see that happening, but if their fans and management have that much dislike for him in not wanting to see him play that is an option. but with the upcoming draft surely they could trade a pick for him.
 
#169
#169
Too many similarities in Lake Tahoe and Milledgeville for me to think nothing happened.
 
#170
#170
Well whatever is going on, it's obviously a recurring behavior or actions on his part if this keeps happening
 
#171
#171
suPEARLman said:
Being accused of rape twice in 2 years worse than a DUI? Maybe(circumstantial). Being convicted once of rape worse than a DUI? HELL YES l]
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Until he has been convicted or even charged with rape, he is an innocent man. The sad thing is that he has already been convicted without trial in the court of public opinion. But we know that they never get that wrong. The point I am trying to make IQ that the only thing ben is guilty of us poor judgement, bad morals, and lack of w totally functioning brain IMO
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#172
#173
#173
**ORANGEBLOOD** said:
Both of those suspensions were for violation of the substance policy. Not the personal conduct code which is what I was refering to.
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Where did Matt Jones violate the personal conduct code other than the failed drug test, which he was punished? You gave the example of Matt Jones, just wondering what you think he did that he went unpunished for?
 
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#174
BearCat204 said:
Where did Matt Jones violate the personal conduct code other than the failed drug test, which he was punished? You gave the example of Matt Jones, just wondering what you think he did that he went unpunished for?
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The discussion earlier in the thread was that someone noted that the nfl had yet to suspend a white player for personal conduct policy (b4 the decision on ben yesterday)

Dobre had brought up matt jones, but as was just pointed out that was from substance abuse not conduct
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#175
#175
**ORANGEBLOOD** said:
I haven't read all of this, but did yall know the NFL has never suspended a white player under the player conduct policy? Thats unbelievable to me.
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volmanbill said:
Why? Who has gone unpunished that deserved it?
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**ORANGEBLOOD** said:
Off the top of my head...Matt Jones comes to mind.
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TrueOrange said:
The discussion earlier in the thread was that someone noted that the nfl had yet to suspend a white player for personal conduct policy (b4 the decision on ben yesterday)

Dobre had brought up matt jones, but as was just pointed out that was from substance abuse not conduct
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OB brought up Matt Jones thus the reason for me asking him the question. Maybe it is just me, but I read his post as hinting that there was a racial bias in the handing out of punishment for violation of the personal conduct code
 
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