Romney campaign caught lying, red handed

[golfballs]

...and his scrutiny of foreign policy consists of exactly what, besides a cheap shot at his own President for an attack on our embassy? Is he saying that we should have no diplomatic presence in Libya? No, he did not say that.

I'm talking about the media.

They held bush personally responsible for every single American death abroad, but Obama isn't responsible for a ****ing thing

 

[golfballs]

I'm a non-partisan independent, so I suppose the mobs will be after me soon enough. For the record, Obama is a good President; I plan on voting for him. Romney has disqualified himself from being President of the United States, many times in many ways.

You are obviously not a non-partisan independent LOL

 

[golfballs]

Obama is a ****ty president. Carter-esque.

 

[Vol Main]

I think we are missing the big picture here. Obama got involved in Libya. Obama dropped bombs from drones on Libya. This is his mess. Who cares if he's not expected to be able to micro-manage security, he put security at risk with his aggressive interventionist policy.

That's true all right, but it's not the big picture. How much money did President Obama spend to intervene in Libya? How much money did we spend in Iraq? How many Americans have been killed and wounded in Libya? How many were killed and wounded in Iraq? That's the big picture.

 

[GAVol]

I'm a non-partisan independent, so I suppose the mobs will be after me soon enough. For the record, Obama is a good President; I plan on voting for him. Romney has disqualified himself from being President of the United States, many times in many ways.

So you're an independent, but can find nothing wrong with the Obama Administration. That's rich.

 

[PKT_VOL]

I'm a non-partisan independent, so I suppose the mobs will be after me soon enough. For the record, Obama is a good President; I plan on voting for him. Romney has disqualified himself from being President of the United States, many times in many ways.

I dunno how anybody can say that with a straight face.

You can say he is better than the others in your opinion.

But to say that he is a good President, in and of itself, is delusional.

I dunno how you can be truly independent and feel that way. Btw, I am not Republican so don't play that card.

 

[Vol Main]

You are obviously not a non-partisan independent LOL

I obviously am, because I just told you. Ding, ding, ding. Do you think that being non-partisan independent means I don't make decisions about who to approve and support and who to disapprove and oppose? That is not what those words mean. I am not a Democrat; I am not a Republican; I am a registered Independent.

 

[BeecherVol]

So you're an independent, but can find nothing wrong with the Obama Administration. That's rich.

Yeah he lost me with not knowing LG but he can see he tells the truth.

Just go ahead and say it. You are a liberal. Aint nobody gonna take your birthday away.

 

[GAVol]

Yeah he lost me with not knowing LG but he can see he tells the truth.

Just go ahead and say it. You are a liberal. Aint nobody gonna take your birthday away.

I don't need for him to say he's full on liberal, but don't insult everybody's intelligence saying how great one candidate is and how one has dq'd himself.

 

[lawgator1]

The real source of this vitriol is the simple fact that Obama is pulling away and Romney's campaign effort is just lackluster. Error after error, lack of a coherent message, and a mediocre nominee.

The frustration the GOP has ought to be directed inward, where it belongs, instead of irrationally lashing out like it does at the Dems just because they have a better product at the moment.

 

[Vol Main]

I dunno how anybody can say that with a straight face.

You can say he is better than the others in your opinion.

But to say that he is a good President, in and of itself, is delusional.

I dunno how you can be truly independent and feel that way. Btw, I am not Republican so don't play that card.

You can say it's delusional, but saying that does not make it so. Saying that is not a valid argument, in any shape, form, or fashion. It's just a flippant remark, void of any value. I will offer this criticism of President Obama. Politics is a tough business, and I just do not think hardball politics is in President Obama's nature. He works for the general good of the country, relying upon others to do the same, without managing well those who don't...which is an important part of his job.

 

[GAVol]

The real source of this vitriol is the simple fact that Obama is pulling away and Romney's campaign effort is just lackluster. Error after error, lack of a coherent message, and a mediocre nominee.

The frustration the GOP has ought to be directed inward, where it belongs, instead of irrationally lashing out like it does at the Dems just because they have a better product at the moment.

Trolling overtime I see. That's so ludicrous its not even worth getting fired up over it.

 

[GAVol]

You can say it's delusional, but saying that does not make it so. Saying that is not a valid argument, in any shape, form, or fashion. It's just a flippant remark, void of any value. I will offer this criticism of President Obama. Politics is a tough business, and I just do not think hardball politics is in President Obama's nature. He works for the general good of the country, relying upon others to do the same, without managing well those who don't...which is an important part of his job.

What planet are you posting from?

 

[BeecherVol]

I don't need for him to say he's full on liberal, but don't insult everybody's intelligence saying how great one candidate is and how one has dq'd himself.

I guess so.

It walkin and talkin like a duck tho.

 

[PKT_VOL]

The real source of this vitriol is the simple fact that Obama is pulling away and Romney's campaign effort is just lackluster. Error after error, lack of a coherent message, and a mediocre nominee.

I am not sure about all that in the bold. No doubt that the last part is true though.

The frustration the GOP has ought to be directed inward, where it belongs, instead of irrationally lashing out like it does at the Dems just because they have a better product at the moment.

I think Ingraham nailed it the other day when she said the GOP should start anew if Romney looses to Obama with this economy.

I am not sure if his advisers are the idiots or if it is Romney himself. One thing for sure, the GOP screwed the pooch on this election cycle. I almost think it was intentional. It is getting to the point of conspiracy theory for me.

 

[McDad]

The real source of this vitriol is the simple fact that Obama is pulling away and Romney's campaign effort is just lackluster. Error after error, lack of a coherent message, and a mediocre nominee.

The frustration the GOP has ought to be directed inward, where it belongs, instead of irrationally lashing out like it does at the Dems just because they have a better product at the moment.

I wonder what we may infer about President Obama's tenure once he is defeated by such a lackluster, error prone, mediocre nominee with an incoherent message?

 

[PKT_VOL]

You can say it's delusional, but saying that does not make it so. Saying that is not a valid argument, in any shape, form, or fashion. It's just a flippant remark, void of any value. I will offer this criticism of President Obama. Politics is a tough business, and I just do not think hardball politics is in President Obama's nature. He works for the general good of the country, relying upon others to do the same, without managing well those who don't...which is an important part of his job.

Like I said, I am not a Republican. I am not one of those who believe he is a man on a mission to destroy the county. Full disclosure, I am an political independent and a Libertarian at heart.

I actually think he has done some good things in office. While I don't agree with everything he has done hook, line, and sinker with his foreign policy, I think he has done a overall good job on that front.

However, running up five trillion dollars to the national debt in three and a half years is unconscionable. The budget he put forth did not even get a vote from his own party. This biggest threat to America is from within. It is our over-promised, completely unpaid for entitlement programs. Don't get me wrong, we need to cut defense spending and other domestic spending (the Department of Education should be axed asap). I am not sure how one could put "good president" and "five trillion dollars of deficits in three and a half years" in the same sentence. It is quite dumbfounding.

 

[Vol Main]

I don't need for him to say he's full on liberal, but don't insult everybody's intelligence saying how great one candidate is and how one has dq'd himself.

Liberals call me conservative, sometimes hatefully, while conservatives incline to call me liberal. I am a pretty good authority on myself, and I can frankly state that I'm a politically moderate, non-partisan, registered independent. I'm not insulting anybody by offering my honest assessment of the President or by saying that Romney has disqualified himself to become President. Since you raised the subject of intelligence...if yours wants to know my reasons for that last comment about Romney, then you can ask me for them and I'll tell you.

 

[volinbham]

Can't say that I know the man, but he appears to be at least trying to tell the truth, while most others are taking the low road with false blame and personal insults.

Are you kidding - you believe this was a "blatant lie" by Romney?

I think it was a mistake aimed at gaining a political edge but to call it a blatant lie is every bit as much of an attempt to gain political edge as the issue itself. LG continually exhibits the very behavior he rails against.

 

[volinbham]

Interestingly enough the statements from Hillary and Obama today both said this was a small group of loons and that the Libyan government and people were on our side.

Is that an accurate statement of the situation? What % of the Libyan population/government is really on our side of this issue? If it's not the vast majority is the administration "blatantly lying" to us for political gain? Was this really an isolated incident; an anomaly if you will or a reflection of a deeper sentiment among a larger proportion of the Libyan population and government?

 

[Vol Main]

I am not sure how one could put "good president" and "five trillion dollars of deficits in three and a half years" in the same sentence. It is quite dumbfounding. PKT

Policy is made in a continuum. President Clinton left President Bush with a budget surplus. President Bush lowered taxes on the very wealthy and financed the entire war in Iraq with debt; he did not pay for any of his war policy with tax revenue. He left President Obama with a huge deficit and a deregulated economy on the brink of "a depression worse than the Great Depression," the words of President Bush's Secretary of Treasury. I think President Obama has managed those crises rather well, considering that Republicans in the Congress devoted themselves above all else to his failure.

 

[volinbham]

I am not sure how one could put "good president" and "five trillion dollars of deficits in three and a half years" in the same sentence. It is quite dumbfounding. PKT

Policy is made in a continuum. President Clinton left President Bush with a budget surplus. President Bush lowered taxes on the very wealthy and financed the entire war in Iraq with debt; he did not pay for any of his war policy with tax revenue. He left President Obama with a huge deficit and a deregulated economy on the brink of "a depression worse than the Great Depression," the words of President Bush's Secretary of Treasury. I think President Obama has managed those crises rather well, considering that Republicans in the Congress devoted themselves above all else to his failure.

Do you believe the budget surplus left by Clinton would have continued under Gore (had he won instead of Bush)? Would no tax cuts in 2001 (in particular) have resulted in preserved surpluses? I'd be interested in seeing your analysis on that.

You say he lowered taxes on the very wealthy but ignore that he also lowered taxes on everyone by a large percentage - so much that the % of taxes paid by the top has increased steadily under his plan and Obama has continually advocated perpetuating all the Bush tax cuts for everyone but the top %.

 

[PKT_VOL]

Interestingly enough the statements from Hillary and Obama today both said this was a small group of loons and that the Libyan government and people were on our side.

Is that an accurate statement of the situation? What % of the Libyan population/government is really on our side of this issue? If it's not the vast majority is the administration "blatantly lying" to us for political gain? Was this really an isolated incident; an anomaly if you will or a reflection of a deeper sentiment among a larger proportion of the Libyan population and government?

Apparently the peaceful protesters who were originally at the US consulate were the ones who intervened and took the victims to the hospital.

The government has denounced the action.

Reporters inside Libya say that the country is overwhelmingly pro American. They said there were actually "We're Sorry" rallies in the street today.

So I'd say this was a planned attack by a small terrorist cell. The fact that it happened on 9/11 is not a coincidence.

 

[volinbham]

Apparently the peaceful protesters who were originally at the US consulate were the ones who intervened and took the victims to the hospital.

The government has denounced the action.

Reporters inside Libya say that the country is overwhelmingly pro American. They said there were actually "We're Sorry" rallies in the street today.

So I'd say this was a planned attack by a small terrorist cell. The fact that it happened on 9/11 is not a coincidence.

I was being a bit sarcastic but I do think it is spin to say that this type sentiment is isolated to a very small group within Libya - history just doesn't back up this claim. Likewise it's hard to image the Libyan government is a unified structure (given it's relatively young age) and is not saying the right thing to keep the aid flowing rather than truly being fully pro-American.

Put another way, I'm sure we are getting spin from the administration (as we would from any administration).

 

[GAVol]

Liberals call me conservative, sometimes hatefully, while conservatives incline to call me liberal. I am a pretty good authority on myself, and I can frankly state that I'm a politically moderate, non-partisan, registered independent. I'm not insulting anybody by offering my honest assessment of the President or by saying that Romney has disqualified himself to become President. Since you raised the subject of intelligence...if yours wants to know my reasons for that last comment about Romney, then you can ask me for them and I'll tell you.

You haven't given any specifics so far, so, honestly,I'm not really inclined to beg you for any.