Romney campaign caught lying, red handed

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Vol Main said:
No offense taken. I trust you won't take umbrage by my saying that your evading issues by replying only with personal comments gives you no credibility in my book.
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you aren't adding much yourself with sweeping generalizations such as Republicans only care about the rich. why not debate policy specifics rather than say Obama good/Romney bad
 
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volinbham said:
you aren't adding much yourself with sweeping generalizations such as Republicans only care about the rich. why not debate policy specifics rather than say Obama good/Romney bad
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because Obama is a great Pres, despite every piece of economic news for the past 4 years saying otherwise
 
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if u can say that Obama is a great Pres right now u either live n a bubble or are working his campaign
 
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Weezer said:
If that happens, I'll be impressed. That would show we've made some strides in the region. I've never been a big fan of Hillary Clinton, but in fairness and honesty, I think she's done a good job as SoS.
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I would have to agree with the comments RE: Hillary
 
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volinbham said:
you aren't adding much yourself with sweeping generalizations such as Republicans only care about the rich. why not debate policy specifics rather than say Obama good/Romney bad
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I think you pretty much covered it. What more do you want?
 
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volinbham said:
Well your starting point is a false premise. That aside, I think both Dem and Rep believe in helping the entire country but see different routes to get there. Personally, I'll take the Rep approach over the Dem approach but it's pretty much useless to discuss it with someone who starts from the premise that you do.
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Blah, blah, blah...you've said nothing. Your claiming a thing is false does not make it so. By making no argument, you fail with a big fat F by default.
 
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Your entire argument is easily summarized...

Obama good

Romney Bad

Republicans filthy rich elitists.

I'm independent so I can't be wrong.

Being dumb doesnt equal independence.
 
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Vol Main said:
Blah, blah, blah...you've said nothing. Your claiming a thing is false does not make it so. By making no argument, you fail with a big fat F by default.
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Yet you claiming it's true counts as making valid points. Interesting set of rules you have there. Of course I did make at least as much of an argument as you (your claim Republicans only care about the rich; my claim they care about everyone as much as Dems do) but for some reason only yours counts as making an argument and mine is a big fat F.

Of the two of us, I have at least started from a position that evaluates policy on it's merits and impact rather than attributing motive a priori to the policy authors which I think counts for something but I'm sure you'll disagree and somehow think I'm making it personal.
 
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volinbham said:
Yet you claiming it's true counts as making valid points. Interesting set of rules you have there. Of course I did make at least as much of an argument as you (your claim Republicans only care about the rich; my claim they care about everyone as much as Dems do) but for some reason only yours counts as making an argument and mine is a big fat F.

Of the two of us, I have at least started from a position that evaluates policy on it's merits and impact rather than attributing motive a priori to the policy authors which I think counts for something but I'm sure you'll disagree and somehow think I'm making it personal.
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You apparently were right. We just have to take his word for it.
 
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volinbham said:
you aren't adding much yourself with sweeping generalizations such as Republicans only care about the rich. why not debate policy specifics rather than say Obama good/Romney bad
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Okay, how about taxes? Republicans continually claim that President Obama burdens American business with the highest corporate taxes in the world. The reality is that large corporations in America pay less in taxes than corporations in many other countries, even though our tax rates are higher. Why? Because large American corporations enjoy tax exemptions and credits which effectively lower their real rates. Why? Because they spend millions of dollars on lobbyists and political contributions, to both political parties. America's small businesses do not spend millions of dollars on lobbyists and political contributions, so they end up paying more than their fair share of corporate taxes. President Obama has tried to lower tax rates on small businesses while closing loopholes that allow GE for example to pay zero corporate income tax. Republicans oppose. How about individual tax rates? President Obama has lowered tax rates for the middle class while trying to return tax rates on the top bracket to the Clinton era. Republicans oppose any tax increase on the most wealthy people in America, regardless of the budget, and criticize his tax reductions for people who work for a living. Throughout our budget crisis, Republicans actually advocate even lower taxes for the super wealthy. How do you defend them?
 
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PKT_VOL said:
I am not a fan of Bush.

There is no question that Obama inherited a mess. There is also no question that he has done nothing to help curb the outrageous spending. In fact, he is only accelerated the problem. This is due to two facts; first he is Keynesian economist and the second is that he believes in expanding the entitlement programs. I want a man in office that is serious about curbing spending. Obama and Romney are not the answer.

As for the debt occurred from the two wars, I read that it was somewhere in the neighborhood of $1.5 trillion. Obama's share while he was in office is roughly $500 billion or 10% of the total deficit under Obama's administration. Although the Iraq War should have never happened, the excuse of the deficit being caused by unpaid wars from the previous administration is just not true.

Bush's tax cuts were for everyone, not just the rich. The lower brackets were helped the most if I remember right.

The economic disaster is a legitimate point. However, both Bush and Obama's administration mishandled the bailouts in my opinion. Obama also tried to spend his way out of the recession. That was a critical failure. You can't print your way out of a recession or depression. That is just fact. So, although he inherited a economic mess from Bush (not Bush's fault btw), Obama has not exactly helped himself out.
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Bump for Vol Main.
 
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volinbham said:
Well your starting point is a false premise. That aside, I think both Dem and Rep believe in helping the entire country but see different routes to get there. Personally, I'll take the Rep approach over the Dem approach but it's pretty much useless to discuss it with someone who starts from the premise that you do.
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I wish I could agree with you that the Republican Party cares about the entire country, but I don't. Can you help me out with that, since you seem to know something about them that I haven't seen. Besides the wealthy, who do they want to help? How have they helped anybody but themselves? I'm not being facetious, please do tell me.
 
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volinbham said:
Yet you claiming it's true counts as making valid points.

Of the two of us, I have at least started from a position that evaluates policy on it's merits and impact rather than attributing motive a priori to the policy authors which I think counts for something but I'm sure you'll disagree and somehow think I'm making it personal.
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Hey, you saw me offer to give reasons for my statements upon request. Exactly what policies have you evaluated on their merits?
 
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volinbham said:
you'll just have to take his word for it
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I asked GAVol if he wanted me to support my statement about Romney, and he evaded the offer with a silly remark about begging. Do you want me to say why I believe Romney has disqualified himself to be President of the United States? I'm not talking a priori premises.
 
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GAVol said:
So you're an independent, but can find nothing wrong with the Obama Administration. That's rich.
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Please point to the record where I said that I found nothing wrong with the Obama Administration. You can't, because I've never made such a foolish statement. If you have anything of value to say, then I suggest you stop misrepresenting me and speak for yourself.
 
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#143
Romney has made a blunder out if this


1. why make a statement before knowing what has actuality happened?

2. after learning his first statement was incorrect , why continue the same rhetoric knowing it is factually incorrect?

3. Several members of the GOP have be critical of Romney over this issue.

4.This brings to light the blunders he made on his 3 country trip during the Olympics.


The polls showing Romney is losing. His campaign is acting desperate.

Gallup is now showing Obama with a 51% approval rating and leading in the national polls 50-43.
 
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#144
Ugh. He criticized the statement out of the Cairo Embassy and thats it. What he said was 100% correct and spot on

Oh and the Yemen embassy is under attack right now.
 
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“Gov. Romney seems to have a tendency to shoot first and aim later,” President Obama said in a CBS interview last night, criticizing Romney’s reaction to the embassy attack in Cairo. Romney criticized the Obama administration’s ‘apology’ in response to the attacks on the embassyand subsequent failure to condemn the attacks right away.
Obama’s remarks, however, echo frequent criticisms made by President Jimmy Carter of Ronald Reagan, then his opponent for the presidency.

Carter criticized Reagan’s views on foreign policy during his speech at the Democratic National Convention in 1980, slamming Reagan for living in a “fantasy world” and noting his inability to understand the “complex global changes” in foreign policy.

“It’s a make believe world. A world of good guys and bad guys, where some politicians shoot first and ask questions later,” Carter said, “No hard choices. No sacrifice. No tough decisions. It sounds too good to be true – and it is. The path of fantasy leads to irresponsibility. The path of reality leads to hope and peace.”

After Reagan’s nomination in July 1980, Carter criticized Republicans calling it “a party with a narrow vision, a party that is afraid of the future, a party whose leaders are inclined to shoot from the hip, a party that has never been willing to put its investment in human beings who are below them in economic and social status.”
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Obama echoes Carter with

The media is so pissed that W won his re-election, that they will do anything to get O elected. The guy is Carter 2.0. What Romney said was 100% spot on. Obama is such a joke. Our embassies are getting sacked and our citizens including an ambassador got killed and instead of addressing this nation from the Oval office, Obama is in Vegas telling people "we had a tough day".

Found an article that details who/what/where/when regarding the Egyptian embassy

Inside the public relations disaster at the Cairo embassy | The Cable
 
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Vol Main said:
Please point to the record where I said that I found nothing wrong with the Obama Administration. You can't, because I've never made such a foolish statement. If you have anything of value to say, then I suggest you stop misrepresenting me and speak for yourself.
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So far I've seen nothing negative about the administration and I've seen you kill the GOP over taxes with a talking point style attack on their tax policy and their being the party of the wealthy. You're entitled to your opinion of course, but from where I'm sitting, it's hard to believe an independent cant come up with one negative on the Obama Administration.
 
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Gramps said:
Romney has made a blunder out if this


1. why make a statement before knowing what has actuality happened?

2. after learning his first statement was incorrect , why continue the same rhetoric knowing it is factually incorrect?

3. Several members of the GOP have be critical of Romney over this issue.

4.This brings to light the blunders he made on his 3 country trip during the Olympics.


The polls showing Romney is losing. His campaign is acting desperate.

Gallup is now showing Obama with a 51% approval rating and leading in the national polls 50-43.
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What on his statement was factually incorrect? I sat there and listened to it and I don't get where he got any of his facts wrong.
 
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VolsNSkinsFan said:
Ugh. He criticized the statement out of the Cairo Embassy and thats it. What he said was 100% correct and spot on


Oh and the Yemen embassy is under attack right now.
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You do realize there are records of what Romney said?
Below is Romney statment. It references both Egypt and Libya.

Show me anywhere that Obama sympathized with those who waged the attacks.

Tuesday night:

10:09 p.m., Mitt Romney “Statement On Developments In Libya and Egypt,” embargoed for midnight, putting it past 9/11: “I'm outraged by the attacks on American diplomatic missions in Libya and Egypt and by the death of an American consulate worker in Benghazi. It's disgraceful that the Obama Administration's first response was not to condemn attacks on our diplomatic missions, but to sympathize with those who waged the attacks.”

10:25 p.m., Romney campaign emails reporters: “You can use this statement immediately, embargo is lifted.”
 
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