Ron Paul Can't Win

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utvolpj said:
quick read shows some are legit and others are just the same as any other politician trying to spend our money. His ideas may be different but his actions are eerily similar to the rest
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His actions are "eerily" similar to the rest? Sorry I can't stomach this. You know nothing about Ron Paul or you're dishonest with yourself.

The only thing he does remotely similar to the rest is that he writes in earmarks. Everything else he does is against the grain.

I'd love to hear what else makes him "eerily" similar to the rest?
 
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utvolpj said:
why does what Newt says have anything to do with RP? Just seems when it comes to crunch time RP has his hand out just like the rest (and no, I don't buy his explanation)
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Do you even know what his explanation is?

He votes based on two principles....freedom, and rule of law. He will never vote for a bill that is unconstitutional. That's his obligation to his district and the American people.

It's every congressman's obligation to vote with the constitution. They have no limitations on what they can write into legislation. Ron Paul is the ONLY guy playing by the rules and you say he's eerily similar to everybody else?

If he's eerily similar to everybody else, how come he's so widely opposed by his constituents?
 
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nbakerld said:
Do you even know what his explanation is?

He votes based on two principles....freedom, and rule of law. He will never vote for a bill that is unconstitutional. That's his obligation to his district and the American people.

It's every congressman's obligation to vote with the constitution. They have no limitations on what they can write into legislation. Ron Paul is the ONLY guy playing by the rules and you say he's eerily similar to everybody else?

If he's eerily similar to everybody else, how come he's so widely opposed by his constituents?
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I actually like the guy, but this "last honest man" routine is tired.
 
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nbakerld said:
His actions are "eerily" similar to the rest? Sorry I can't stomach this. You know nothing about Ron Paul or you're dishonest with yourself.

The only thing he does remotely similar to the rest is that he writes in earmarks. Everything else he does is against the grain.

I'd love to hear what else makes him "eerily" similar to the rest?
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of course you can't stomach it since RP supporters hate to hear anything negative about their guy. It's really crazy.

When it comes down to it he has no problem spending other people's money. That is what my comment was based on

nbakerld said:
Do you even know what his explanation is?
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his explanation of "if I don't do it someone else will" is solid to you? How about fighting to give back the people's money instead of spending it on worthless projects?
 
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utvolpj said:
of course you can't stomach it since RP supporters hate to hear anything negative about their guy. It's really crazy.
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Let's not get the brushstrokes going this early.

utvolpj said:
his explanation of "if I don't do it someone else will" is solid to you? How about fighting to give back the people's money instead of spending it on worthless projects?
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I think it is a valid point. If he had more authority (either in Congress or as the President) he would cut the budget in a big way. However, he is one man in congress. If it is clear that his fellow peers are going to have various earmarked money in a spending bill, he might as well get some of that money to his district which is going to be in the bill regardless.

Secondly, there is a difference between writing a bill and voting on a bill. I am not sure about this particular bill, but it is theoretically possible to write earmarks into a piece of legislation AND still vote against the legislation when it comes up for a vote. It would be basically saying the same thing. I would prefer that this bill not become law, but if it does, I wish that my district benefit from it as opposed to other districts.

Edit: Read it. He did exactly what I outlined in my second point. Clever move on his part.
 
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utvolpj said:
well not in my world but ok. All it does is give you an out when challenged
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So there aren't instances in your life where you are against a process, an entity, a morally corrupt person (by your standards), an act theoretically or in principal; but decide to still engage in that process, act, or person because to oppose it would cause unnecessary hardship towards you or your family? My point is that everybody does this on some level.
 
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PKT_VOL said:
So there aren't instances in your life where you are against a process, an entity, a morally corrupt person (by your standards), an act theoretically or in principal; but decide to still engage in that process, act, or person because to oppose it would cause unnecessary hardship towards you or your family? My point is that everybody does this on some level.
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can't think of any right now. And you kind of help make my point that RP isn't really that different than the rest
 
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utvolpj said:
can't think of any right now. And you kind of help make my point that RP isn't really that different than the rest
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Depends on your definition of different. If you look at their voting records, I would say that RP is definitely different. If you look at their consistency, I would also say they are significantly different. However, I am not a RP supporter that believes RP is a walk-on water Jesus candidate either.

And, to the first point, you're not thinking hard enough :)
 
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PKT_VOL said:
And, to the first point, you're not thinking hard enough :)
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so you're saying that I have put myself in a morally corrupt process/position to help myself or my family? You'll have to give an example since I really don't see it but I'm also not the one claiming superiority over those that do
 
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utvolpj said:
so you're saying that I have put myself in a morally corrupt process/position to help myself or my family? You'll have to give an example since I really don't see it but I'm also not the one claiming superiority over those that do
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No, you are way over thinking it. It could be as simple as disagreeing with some of Wal-Mart's practices, yet shopping there anyways because it is the smart choice financially for you and your family. It could be you work for a company or boss which you believe engages in immoral acts or inefficient processes but you participate anyway because it pays decent. You might think that the US Postal Service or Amtrak are a waste of government funds but you might send a letter USPS or Amtrak because it is most beneficial for you. I could go on and on. I don't know you personally so I have to take shots in the dark. The point is we all engage in things which we do not agree with in principal because at the end of the day our disagreement with the said thing is dwarfed by the potential benefit of engaging in that thing, process, or person.
 
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#343
I do my best to not get in those situations but I'm also sure I don't base my beliefs on one thing yet continue to engage in the opposite.

The use of govt funds for some of these things is nothing more than theft and buying votes IMO. RP actively engages in that
 
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utvolpj said:
I do my best to not get in those situations but I'm also sure I don't base my beliefs on one thing yet continue to engage in the opposite.

The use of govt funds for some of these things is nothing more than theft and buying votes IMO. RP actively engages in that
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He voted against it. He did not want it to become law. However, if there is a certain amount of pie at the table, I do not see what is wrong for wanting that piece of the pie to go back to your district. It is going to go somewhere, why not your district?
 
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PKT_VOL said:
He voted against it. He did not want it to become law. However, if there is a certain amount of pie at the table, I do not see what is wrong for wanting that piece of the pie to go back to your district. It is going to go somewhere, why not your district?
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receiving stolen goods can still be illegal even if you didn't participate in the robbery
 
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Wow... when bringing taxpayer $$$ back to your district is the biggest attack they can make on a man... :unsure:

LOL at Ron Paul buying votes...
 
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#347
I've said RP would probably be #2 on my list but the Grand Savior act from some of his disciples gets quite old
 
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