Ron Paul Can't Win

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MG1968 said:
some of you fervent RP supporters really need to get over your hypersensitivity to criticism of Paul

if people like Alex Jones and David Duke endorse Paul, don't attack the messenger for pointing it out, instead, look into what it is in RP's message that they are obviously misinterpreting as supporting their own twisted agendas.
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Its not hypersensitivity, it is the proper sensitivity and response. You have a side show act like Trump standing shoulder-to-shoulder with the GOP front runner and nothing seems wrong. Yet, Paul gets an endorsement from some yahoo in a racist militia from the Alaskan tundra that 99.99% of the people have never heard of, and all of a sudden, Paul is actively campaigning for the racist vote. Or, that Ron Paul is a lunatic or fringe candidate because he wants Congress to simply declare wars, win then quickly and move out or that he wants the FED to be investigated and/or abolished.

But you have a clown like Newt Gingrich talking about setting up moon colonies by 2020 and these same people turn a blind eye.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Its not hypersensitivity, it is the proper sensitivity and response. You have a side show act like Trump standing shoulder-to-shoulder with the GOP front runner and nothing seems wrong. Yet, Paul gets an endorsement from some yahoo in a racist militia from the Alaskan tundra that 99.99% of the people have never heard of, and all of a sudden, Paul is actively campaigning for the racist vote. Or, that Ron Paul is a lunatic or fringe candidate because he wants Congress to simply declare wars, win then quickly and move out or that he wants the FED to be investigated and/or abolished.

But you have a clown like Newt Gingrich talking about setting up moon colonies by 2020 and these same people turn a blind eye.
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It's a blatant double standard.

Republicans complain about the media being unabashedly biased against Republicans and in favor of Democrats, yet these same Republicans have no problem bashing RP on trivial issues because he dares stand up to the GOP establishment.
 
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it begs the question, if the GOP establishment is the problem, why is RP running as a Republican in the first place?


and before the predictable and trite chime in, that doesn't mean I think he should run as a democrat/green/etc.

he is a Libertarian, he should be running as one
 
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MG1968 said:
it begs the question, if the GOP establishment is the problem, why is RP running as a Republican in the first place?
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IMO, that's kinda like asking, "If the Federal government is the problem, why run for President of it?"

The hope is that he can change it.
 
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MG1968 said:
it begs the question, if the GOP establishment is the problem, why is RP running as a Republican in the first place?


and before the predictable and trite chime in, that doesn't mean I think he should run as a democrat/green/etc.

he is a Libertarian, he should be running as one
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I hope he does end up running as a third-party candidate.
 
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nbakerld said:
IMO, that's kinda like asking, "If the Federal government is the problem, why run for President of it?"

The hope is that he can change it.
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it should be obvious by now that RP is not going to be able to change the GOP
 
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MG1968 said:
it should be obvious by now that RP is not going to be able to change the GOP
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It takes time for party platforms to change. The GOP didn't turn away from a conservative foreign policy and responsible spending over night. RP may not see the change during his career, but that doesn't mean it can't/won't happen.
 
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CSpindizzy said:
Not sure why he came back to the GOP. He should be honest about who he is and stick with the Libertarians.
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"At the very heart of conservatism is libertarianism" - Ronald Reagan

I think the GOP collectively is having a much bigger identity crisis than Ron Paul is.
 
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nbakerld said:
It takes time for party platforms to change. The GOP didn't turn away from a conservative foreign policy and responsible spending over night. RP may not see the change during his career, but that doesn't mean it can't/won't happen.
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what do you have against the Libertarian Party?
 
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MG1968 said:
what do you have against the Libertarian Party
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I don't have anything against it. The highest ranking libertarian political official is like a city manager or something. It's no way to get elected. Ron Paul and Rand Paul are showing that these ideas have more power in Republican packaging.
 
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nbakerld said:
I don't have anything against it. The highest ranking libertarian political official is like a city manager or something. It's no way to get elected. Ron Paul and Rand Paul are showing that these ideas have more power in Republican packaging.
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Unfortunately libertarians needs politics to break into politics
 
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nbakerld said:
I don't have anything against it. The highest ranking libertarian political official is like a city manager or something. It's no way to get elected. Ron Paul and Rand Paul are showing that these ideas have more power in Republican packaging.
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didn't you just say that changing the GOP would take time?

the LP is already established and has a platform that lines up with Paul in almost every way, but he can't run as a Libertarian because, according to you, it would be too hard.
 
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MG1968 said:
didn't you just say that changing the GOP would take time?

the LP is already established and has a platform that lines up with Paul in almost every way, but he can't run as a Libertarian because, according to you, it would be too hard.
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Party platforms change. The 2-party system hasn't in 150 years. You think he'd have a bigger impact as a libertarian party candidate? I highly doubt it.
 
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nbakerld said:
Party platforms change. The 2-party system hasn't in 150 years. You think he'd have a bigger impact as a libertarian party candidate? I highly doubt it.
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so it's "to hell with my principles, I want to be the candidate of a party I have nothing in common with and is actively trying to sabotage my candidacy"?
 
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MG1968 said:
so it's "to hell with my principles, I want to be the candidate of a party I have nothing in common with and is actively trying to sabotage my candidacy"?
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How is he betraying his principles? He's the only candidate that has a record of consistent views on issues. He has never flopped around like Romney and Gingrich.
 
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MG1968 said:
so it's "to hell with my principles, I want to be the candidate of a party I have nothing in common with and is actively trying to sabotage my candidacy"?
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What are you talking about? He's probably more of a conservative than he is a libertarian. None of his ideas are in conflict with traditional conservatism. His stances on abortion and immigration are in conflict with traditional libertarianism.
 
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if RP ends up running as a 3rd party candidate, it's going to be interesting to hear the verbal gymnastics used to justify that decision
 
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