Ron Paul Can't Win

#101
#101
MG1968 said:
does Ron Paul have any policy regarding preemptive military action? Suppose he pulls back all overseas US troops (and by extension, all intelligence gathering operations) but receives credible information (including who is responsible and where they are located) regarding an imminent attack on a major US city? Does Ron Paul take a reactive or proactive approach? Does he sit on his hands and potentially allow thousands of Americans to die knowing he could have prevented a catastrophe or does he take action?

The decision of POTUS to engage the US military is never a simple one. Ron Paul and his sycophants make it sound as though war is some antiseptic action performed in a vacuum.

Obama once thought that he could do just what Ron Paul wants to do, he found out that it's easy to armchair quarterback from the comfortable confines of a congressional office, but the view is quite a bit different once you have access to ALL of the information.
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Give me a break. Obama is still in Iraq because he's stopping imminent threats like the one in your hypothetical? You come up with incredibly convoluted hypotheticals and use them to justify wars and spending.

Do you trust the government behind closed doors? Only a fool would say yes, but you trust them to the point that you are OK with giving them a larger "defense" budget than the rest of the world combined and expecting them to do what's in your best interest. :crazy:

Read Blowback and War Made Easy if you want to understand why Ron Paul has a different approach.
 
#103
#103
nbakerld said:
Give me a break. Obama is still in Iraq because he's stopping imminent threats like the one in your hypothetical? You come up with incredibly convoluted hypotheticals and use them to justify wars and spending.
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no, I just asked what you think Paul would do if confronted by such a hypothetical. the world is a dangerous place.

Do you trust the government behind closed doors? Only a fool would say yes, but you trust them to the point that you are OK with giving them a larger "defense" budget than the rest of the world combined and expecting them to do what's in your best interest. :crazy:
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where did I ever say that? And do you really trust Ron Paul as much as you claim to? He's not exactly fresh off the bus and has been a politician since the Nixon administration.

Read Blowback and War Made Easy if you want to understand why Ron Paul has a different approach.
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I'll give Bob Barr credit, he no longer identified with the GOP and ran as a libertarian in 2008.
 
#104
#104
MG1968 said:
no, I just asked what you think Paul would do if confronted by such a hypothetical. the world is a dangerous place.
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If there were an imminent threat, Ron Paul would undoubtedly act because he's within the constitutional bounds (as he sees them). It just depends on what you consider an imminent threat. He wouldn't consider sketchy intelligence about potential WMD's that may be pointed at us some day as a call for action. But if the Russians were sending their navy this way, he would try diplomacy and not necessarily wait for them to take the first shot.
 
#109
#109
DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
Congressman Ron Paul Wins 2011 California Straw Poll | Press Release (California Republican Party)
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LOS ANGELES – Minutes ago in front of the California Republican Party convention delegation at the JW Marriott at L.A. Live, CRP Chairman Tom Del Beccaro announced Congressman Ron Paul as the winner of the 2011 California Straw Poll.



A full breakdown of the results is copied below. A total of 833 ballots were cast during the 2011 Straw Poll which included a write-in opportunity for the first time.



The 2011 California Straw Poll was held on Saturday, September 17th between 9:00AM – 5:00PM, where CRP members, associate members, and registered guests were allowed to choose their favorite from among the 11 official Republican presidential candidates.
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maybe it's just me, but I don't find this particularly impressive
 
#114
#114
I really like so many of his views. But his stance on foreign policy it too extreme for me. I agree that we need to scale back our global involvement, but not to the degree he wants. I also don't agree with getting rid of the Fed. And I'm not sure he's proposing this, but the article mentions mandatory gun ownership... seems contrary to his philosophy.
 
#115
#115
golfballs03 said:
I really like so many of his views. But his stance on foreign policy it too extreme for me. I agree that we need to scale back our global involvement, but not to the degree he wants. I also don't agree with getting rid of the Fed. And I'm not sure he's proposing this, but the article mentions mandatory gun ownership... seems contrary to his philosophy.
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No he doesn't support mandatory gun ownership, he was just citing the results of that city to show the value in gun ownership.
 
#117
#117
golfballs03 said:
I really like so many of his views. But his stance on foreign policy it too extreme for me. I agree that we need to scale back our global involvement, but not to the degree he wants. I also don't agree with getting rid of the Fed. And I'm not sure he's proposing this, but the article mentions mandatory gun ownership... seems contrary to his philosophy.
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To the degree he wants probably wouldn't happen. I would imagine it would end up right where you, and most of America, would feel comfortable. Come on, drink the Kool-Aid, it tastes good.
 
#118
#118
DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
Lots of common sense in that artical. Shocking, coming from the Huffington Post.
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I don't really mind the Huffington post too much. I don't think they are very shy about their biases, which I think gives them an incentive to do their homework better. I'll trust them over Fox News or CNN.
 
#120
#120
I wish libertarians had a better messenger. Ron Paul comes off as a kook. I hear it from so many people that they more closely identify with the libertarian party, but they wouldn't vote for Paul.
 
#123
#123
golfballs03 said:
I wish libertarians had a better messenger. Ron Paul comes off as a kook. I hear it from so many people that they more closely identify with the libertarian party, but they wouldn't vote for Paul.
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I don't know about kook as much as crazy old uncle.
 
#124
#124
MystifyingVol said:
Why is what he said lunacy? Or are you okay with the disregard of the Constitution? Article 3, Section 3 details how to deal with someone that is committing treason.
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remember what happened the last time the GOP tried to impeach a democrat president? They had the Constitution on their side then as well.
 
#125
#125
MG1968 said:
remember what happened the last time the GOP tried to impeach a democrat president? They had the Constitution on their side then as well.
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Yeah, but when "Clinton lied, nobody died", but I agree that nothing will come of this.
 
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