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[rjd970]

So it's such a tough accomplishment only a handful active coaches have done it, yet Meyer isn't elite in your opinion. Got it.

We get it, you think Meyer is God's gift to college football.

The two national titles is a factor of a number of things, him being a good coach is one of them. The difference is you put more weight on that factor than I do.

 

[10essee Refugee]

For Utah that was a big year.

For any non-BCS school to beat that many BCS teams on their schedule, then destroy a BCS conference champ in a bowl game, well, that's a great year...considering they have no control over how badly those BCS teams happened to suck that particular year.

So if I go beat Muhammed Ali's ass, will that make me "The Greatest"? I mean, he's down right now, but...
See what's wrong there? Meyer's one of the best coaches in the game today, and he did good things at Utah, but Whittingham was more impressive in 08 than Meyer was in 04.

 

[Sudeepvol]

The two BCS bowl wins, one against a good Oklahoma team with superior talent kind of blows this argument out of the water. That win against Oklahoma was one of the best coached games I have ever seen. And the difference between Boise State conference and Utah conference is splitting hairs.

Look, Meyer is a good coach. Nobody, including myself, disagrees with that. It is tough to win two national titles, no matter the school or recruiting base. I just don't think he is as elite as everybody makes him out to be. Everybody can flame all they want at that, I don't care. We'll see how he does this year. If he wins a national title this year without Mullen, Strong, Tebow, etc....then it will go a long way to change my opinion. Until then I still contend he is a great coach that walked into a perfect situation of great talent already on the team and a SECE that was as weak as it has ever been. He made the most of it, kudos to him.

He's still an emotional lying D'bag though.

I agree that Tebow and Harvin were once-in-a-career type players and offensive production did fall drastically without Harvin last year. I also agree that him getting talent from the state of Florida when Miami and FSU were down must not have been too difficult.

However, winning like he has been the last five years in the toughest conference college football has ever seen is nothing short of phenomenal. He's 14-1 against his three biggest rivals, he has a 96-18 overall record, and two titles. He has also proven himself at multiple levels. For you to think he's an elite coach, what do you ask of him?

I think Urban is #2 right now behind Saban and I think it will stay that way for a while unless Saban goes elsewhere.

 

[m1al]

I agree that Tebow and Harvin were once-in-a-career type players and offensive production did fall drastically without Harvin last year. I also agree that him getting talent from the state of Florida when Miami and FSU were down must not have been too difficult.

However, winning like he has been the last five years in the toughest conference college football has ever seen is nothing short of phenomenal. He's 14-1 against his three biggest rivals, he has a 96-18 overall record, and two titles. He has also proven himself at multiple levels. For you to think he's an elite coach, what do you ask of him?

I think Urban is #2 right now behind Saban and I think it will stay that way for a while unless Saban goes elsewhere.

Opinions... They're all just opinions...

For me, 'elite' is kind of an 'of all time' honor. Sort of the 'Gods of Coaching' level.. I don't know, maybe they have to die first (I'm kidding). Meyer is a GOOD coach, no doubt about it and I'm not saying he want reach 'elite' status (at least my definition of elite). He's just not there yet. Not for me.. Hell, Saban aint there yet either.. He's closer than Meyer though.

 

[rjd970]

I agree that Tebow and Harvin were once-in-a-career type players and offensive production did fall drastically without Harvin last year. I also agree that him getting talent from the state of Florida when Miami and FSU were down must not have been too difficult.

However, winning like he has been the last five years in the toughest conference college football has ever seen is nothing short of phenomenal. He's 14-1 against his three biggest rivals, he has a 96-18 overall record, and two titles. He has also proven himself at multiple levels. For you to think he's an elite coach, what do you ask of him?

I think Urban is #2 right now behind Saban and I think it will stay that way for a while unless Saban goes elsewhere.

First, of which three biggest rivals are your referring to, and how good were they during that span? For comparison, how good were they when Spurrier was coaching at Florida?

If he can mimic the success he has had at Florida at a program like South Carolina, or even Georgia then I will concede he is an elite coach. Lest we forget, Spurrier was at one time considered the greatest coach in the SEC, if not the nation. Look at what a simple change of scenery and lack of access to talent does to a reputation.

If he would have gone to Notre Dame and built it back up the way Saban did Bama, then I would be a believer. One has to seriously wonder why he didn't make that jump. The situation he enjoys at Florida is an obvious reason.

 

[m1al]

First, of which three biggest rivals are your referring to, and how good were they during that span? For comparison, how good were they when Spurrier was coaching at Florida?

If he can mimic the success he has had at Florida at a program like South Carolina, or even Georgia then I will concede he is an elite coach. Lest we forget, Spurrier was at one time considered the greatest coach in the SEC, if not the nation. Look at what a simple change of scenery and lack of access to talent does to a reputation.

If he would have gone to Notre Dame and built it back up the way Saban did Bama, then I would be a believer. One has to seriously wonder why he didn't make that jump. The situation he enjoys at Florida is an obvious reason.

I think Meyer would do more with USCjr than the 'ole ball coach' has.... A LOT more...

 

[rjd970]

Bottom line, for me an "elite" coach can take his players and beat you, and take your players and beat his.

Saban fits that description, Meyer doesn't. Not many coaches do. Meyer is a great coach, but he isn't any more elite than a Peterson or Kelly.

 

[rjd970]

I think Meyer would do more with USCjr than the 'ole ball coach' has.... A LOT more...

Disagree. Meyer went 9-4 and finished 3rd in the SEC east in 2007. And he easily had BCS Bowl talent on that team. I see no evidence that he could win more than 8-9 games at SC with the same teams Spurrier had.

Of course, arguing that would be a complete waste of time since it is based completely on opinion.

 

[Lawrence Wright]

We get it, you think Meyer is God's gift to college football.

The two national titles is a factor of a number of things, him being a good coach is one of them. The difference is you put more weight on that factor than I do.

Your use of hyperbole is noted.

At no point during this discussion have I claimed that Meyer is "God's gift to football". I simply said he is one of several elite active coaches in CFB....huge difference.

All you've done is throw hypothetical BS that has nothing to do with what he's already accomplished.

We can split hairs over the definition of "elite". You can't dispute Meyer's place among today's CFB coaches.
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[Lawrence Wright]

So if I go beat Muhammed Ali's ass, will that make me "The Greatest"? I mean, he's down right now, but...
See what's wrong there? Meyer's one of the best coaches in the game today, and he did good things at Utah, but Whittingham was more impressive in 08 than Meyer was in 04.

Your analogy has more holes in it than Sonny Corleone at the toll booth.

And based on your second sentence, you agree with me 100%.

 

[Lawrence Wright]

First, of which three biggest rivals are your referring to, and how good were they during that span? For comparison, how good were they when Spurrier was coaching at Florida?

He's talking about FSU, Tennessee and UGA. When Spurrier was at UF, FSU was a top program, Tennessee was a top program and UGA flat out sucked most years under Goff and was merely average under Donnan.

Now Meyer has to contend with an LSU program that's much better than they were in the 90s. Ditto for a UGA program that's won a couple SEC titles this decade after never so much as sniffing the Georgia Dome in the 90s. I'll concede that FSU isn't nearly as strong as they used to be.

If he can mimic the success he has had at Florida at a program like South Carolina, or even Georgia then I will concede he is an elite coach. Lest we forget, Spurrier was at one time considered the greatest coach in the SEC, if not the nation. Look at what a simple change of scenery and lack of access to talent does to a reputation.

If he would have gone to Notre Dame and built it back up the way Saban did Bama, then I would be a believer. One has to seriously wonder why he didn't make that jump. The situation he enjoys at Florida is an obvious reason.

This is BS. I like how you construct hypothetical scenarios we BOTH know will never happen and hold an already successful coach to that ridiculous standard.

You: I know he's won everywhere he's been, turning around an awful Bowling Green program and turning Utah into a BCS contender (and utimately a BCS program thanks to his understudy)...and I know he's won at Florida with someone else's players and his own.

But...but...but...he hasn't won at a program like South Carolina or Notre Dame....with only 50 scholarships to offer...and he's not allowed to recruit any black players.... or linemen weighing over 250 pounds...when he's successful at all that, THEN I'll give him his props.

Give me a break....

 

[Lawrence Wright]

Disagree. Meyer went 9-4 and finished 3rd in the SEC east in 2007. And he easily had BCS Bowl talent on that team. I see no evidence that he could win more than 8-9 games at SC with the same teams Spurrier had.

Of course, arguing that would be a complete waste of time since it is based completely on opinion.

Yeah, pulling scenarios out of your ass is a waste of time, but I give you credit for being persistent with all these "what ifs", when the "what is" speaks for itself. Tell me how successful Saban would be at Vanderbilt...you ran away from this question the last time I posed it to you.

UF's defense was hardly BCS caliber in '07.

UF replaced nine starters on defense from it's '06 NC team, these replacements were primarily true freshmen and sophomores who flat out weren't ready to compete. Many of these freshmen and sophomores were ultimately beaten out by younger players in '08 and '09 (see Janoris Jenkins). UF's offense couldn't stop a nosebleed in '07.

 

[10essee Refugee]

Your analogy has more holes in it than Sonny Corleone at the toll booth.

And based on your second sentence, you agree with me 100%.

I agree he's a good coach, and while he had a good year at Utah, they played I think two ranked teams all year. So, as I pointed out, beating crappy teams doesn't mean you're special. It means that you got lucky that the once decent teams on schedule were having down years. In 08 they played five ranked teams including three of their last four games. Where were these holes you speak of?
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[Lawrence Wright]

I agree he's a good coach, and while he had a good year at Utah, they played I think two ranked teams all year. So, as I pointed out, beating crappy teams doesn't mean you're special. It means that you got lucky that the once decent teams on schedule were having down years. In 08 they played five ranked teams including three of their last four games. Where were these holes you speak of?
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Using a boxing analogy to argue a point that was never made....that's where the holes are.

When did I ever say Utah was special?

I grant you Utah's '08 undefeated season was tougher than '04, but it has nothing to do with my argument about Meyer being among the elite active CFB coaches.

I'm counting Meyer's years at Utah, coupled with his unprecedented success at UF as proof....not to mention the success of the guy he groomed to take over for him at Utah.

 

[10essee Refugee]

You said that despite playing an awful schedule, topped off by beating the big east champs was a "great year". I just don't see it. The me vs Ali analogy was used to highlight the point that beating someone (or some team) that was once good, but is clearly down, is not that big of an accomplishment.
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[Lawrence Wright]

You said that despite playing an awful schedule, topped off by beating the big east champs was a "great year". I just don't see it.

So now you're arguing an undefeated season shouldn't be considered a great year?

What should it be considered?

The me vs Ali analogy was used to highlight the point that beating someone (or some team) that was once good, but is clearly down, is not that big of an accomplishment.

And no one argued otherwise, but thanks for bringing it up. Recently I've been reminded of this point every year around the third Saturday of September.

 

[10essee Refugee]

So now you're arguing an undefeated season shouldn't be considered a great year?

What should it be considered?

You should know as well anyone the importance of QB play in the college game. Who did they play that year that was on par with Alex Smith. Their whole team was pretty talented that year, but Smith was a phenom. To me, going undefeated against lesser teams is a good year, not great.


And no one argued otherwise, but thanks for bringing it up. Recently I'm reminded of this point every year around the third Saturday of September.

You argued it in your last post. Not enough time or inclination for e-fighting this morning. It's been fun. I guess.
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[Lawrence Wright]

You argued it in your last post. Not enough time or inclination for e-fighting this morning. It's been fun. I guess.
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Translation: I have no comeback for suggesting that an undefeated season shouldn't be considered a great season. lol:

 

[10essee Refugee]

Read the whole post. This got stuck in your qoute. You didn't really think you were objective enough to type this did you?

You should know as well anyone the importance of QB play in the college game. Who did they play that year that was on par with Alex Smith. Their whole team was pretty talented that year, but Smith was a phenom. To me, going undefeated against lesser teams is a good year, not great.
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[Lawrence Wright]

Read the whole post. This got stuck in your qoute. You didn't really think you were objective enough to type this did you?

You should know as well anyone the importance of QB play in the college game. Who did they play that year that was on par with Alex Smith. Their whole team was pretty talented that year, but Smith was a phenom. To me, going undefeated against lesser teams is a good year, not great.
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And that's your opinion regardless of how misguided it is.

Going undefeated is a great year, regardless of how good you are OR the level of competition you play. To suggest anything otherwise is just absurd.

 

[10essee Refugee]

So if UF played 12 fcs schools and beat them all, that would be a great year? No, sorry but level of competion affects my opinion of how good team is. Play good to great teams and beat them all, that's a great year. Play sub-par to good teams, And beat them all, and that's a good year.
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[Lawrence Wright]

So if UF played 12 fcs schools and beat them all, that would be a great year? No, sorry but level of competion affects my opinion of how good team is. Play good to great teams and beat them all, that's a great year. Play sub-par to good teams, And beat them all, and that's a good year.
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Hoo boy....here we go with more ridiculous hypothetical BS. Utah didn't play all FCS opponents in '04 or '08, and at no point will UF play 12 FCS teams.

In your mind a team's season can only be measured by the accomplishments of their opponents....that's crap.

Keep digging that hole buddy....by your logic if Alabama meets pre-season expectations and goes undefeated while being favored in likely all of their games....well that's just a good season as far as you're concerned.

Brilliant....just brilliant.

 

[droski]

And the difference between Boise State conference and Utah conference is splitting hairs.

ridiculous. boise plays in one of the easiest conferences in the country. the mountain west is probably better than a handful of bcs conferences.

 

[justingroves]

ridiculous. boise plays in one of the easiest conferences in the country. the mountain west is probably better than a handful of bcs conferences.

The MWC is just as good as the Big East and the majority of the ACC couldn't compete in it either.

 

[BIG BOI 23]

only a dummy could look at meyer's record since he got to the SEC and say he's not elite

or the SEC has been weak? thats not true either 3 different teams have won the last 4 titles lol: