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rjd970 said:
Not questioning his coaching abilities, as I have said, he is a great coach.

Just saying he isn't as phenomenal as everybody makes him out to be.
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what the difference between great and phenomenal in your mind? this is a guy who has won, almost immediately, every place he has gone.
 
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droski said:
what the difference between great and phenomenal in your mind? this is a guy who has won, almost immediately, every place he has gone.
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In his mind winning at Boise State trumps winning at Bowling Green, winning BCS bowls at Utah, and winning multiple national titles at Florida.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
You want me to agree to your hypothetical situation as though it's some sort of fact or foregone conclusion?

No thanks.

You don't know how Meyer would fare at Tennessee any more than you know how Boise State's coach would perform at a school like Florida. It's your opinion and nothing more.
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Lawrence Wright said:
You can attack Meyer's personality all day long....it's the only card you have to play....but the FACT is Urban Meyer is one of a handful of elite coaches in college football. You can't dispute this.
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We all have opinions, no matter how stupid they sound.

Saban is an elite coach, Meyer isn't. I can call that a FACT all day but it doesn't make it so.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
In his mind winning at Boise State trumps winning at Bowling Green, winning BCS bowls at Utah, and winning multiple national titles at Florida.
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49-4 over four season and two BCS bowl wins at a place called "Boise State" absolutely trumps what Meyer did at either Bowling Green or Utah. No question about it.

And saying it isn't possible that he could have replicated what Meyer did at a place like Florida is absurd.
 
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rjd970 said:
We all have opinions, no matter how stupid they sound.

Saban is an elite coach, Meyer isn't. I can call that a FACT all day but it doesn't make it so.
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At least you admit your opinion is bogus, in the face of overwhelming evidence.

Saban and Meyer are both elite coaches. It won't kill you to admit it. :eek:lol:
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Tebow was an elite player. Even Herschel Walker won Dooley a National Championship but he wasn't an "elite" coach. We'll see how Urban does post Florida Jesus.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
At least you admit you opinion is bogus, in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

Saban and Meyer are both elite coaches. It won't kill you to admit it. :eek:lol:
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I admit it is opinion, unlike your insistane on this Meyer is an elite coach nonsense.

Put him anywhere other than Florida he last few seasons and I dont think he wins 2 national titles. You really disagree with that?
 
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rjd970 said:
I admit it is opinion, unlike your insistane on this Meyer is an elite coach nonsense.

Put him anywhere other than Florida he last few seasons and I dont think he wins 2 national titles. You really disagree with that?
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Obviously having tremendous talent helps, but it is silly to suggest that Meyer just coasted into that.

I'd certainly say that Meyer is among the elite coaches out there right now. Time will tell if he deserves to be mentioned with the likes of Bryant or Bowden who had sustaiend success over periods of ups and downs.






lylsmorr said:
Urban won a National Championship at Utah?
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Close enough for government work.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Obviously having tremendous talent helps, but it is silly to suggest that Meyer just coasted into that.

I'd certainly say that Meyer is among the elite coaches out there right now. Time will tell if he deserves to be mentioned with the likes of Bryant or Bowden who had sustaiend success over periods of ups and downs.









Close enough for government work.
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There is no close enough. You win Titles or you don't.
 
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rjd970 said:
49-4 over four season and two BCS bowl wins at a place called "Boise State" absolutely trumps what Meyer did at either Bowling Green or Utah. No question about it.

And saying it isn't possible that he could have replicated what Meyer did at a place like Florida is absurd.
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boise plays in a much easier league than utah
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rjd970 said:
I admit it is opinion, unlike your insistane on this Meyer is an elite coach nonsense.

Put him anywhere other than Florida he last few seasons and I dont think he wins 2 national titles. You really disagree with that?
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That's a weak argument. Saban doesn't win two national titles if he's the head coach at Vanderbilt the past 7 seasons.

Nonsense is not having the balls to admit that a coach who has won two of the last 4 national titles, the first primarily with another coach's players and the second with his own players, is not among the elite of CFB coaches today. That same coach has recruited lights out the past 3 years.

Time will tell where he winds up all-time, but as of right now Meyer is among the best CFB coaches out there, and you have said nothing or provided any evidence other than your opinion to the contrary.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
So he's potentially a bad person for changing his mind.
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Come on now LW.. Do you really think I'm implying someone is a bad person for simply changing their mind? That's not what I was saying and I'm sure you're intelligent enough to know this.

If you take off your Gator glasses for a moment and look at what went down objectively you have to admit there was more going on there than just a 'little mind changing'.

Anyway, I agree with you that he is a good coach. But it doesn't necessarily take a good man/person to make a good coach. Is he a Neyland, a Bryant, a Rockne? I don't think so and in todays college football climate you probably wont see any more of the legendary, long term coaches. Bowden may be the last of those...
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
No, but if you choose to disregard what Meyer did at Utah as some sort of proof he can't win without Tebow, then you have the right to the same misguided opinions as rjd.
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In Utah's "big year" they beat a middle of the road A&M team at the time who ended up 7-5 and needed overtime to beat 2 shoddy teams in Colorado and TTech. They also beat Arizona, who went 3-8. UNC, who went 6-6 and was middle of the road in the ACC. and Pitt, who had a pretty good year but nothing stellar after losing to the likes of Syracuse and UConn(who hadn't been in D-1A over 3 years at the time). So while yes they did have a good year for a MWC team and did win a BCS game...that's like Iowa beating G. Tech for their BCS. Nothing special
 
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m1al said:
Come on now LW.. Do you really think I'm implying someone is a bad person for simply changing their mind? That's not what I was saying and I'm sure you're intelligent enough to know this.

If you take off your Gator glasses for a moment and look at what went down objectively you have to admit there was more going on there than just a 'little mind changing'.

Anyway, I agree with you that he is a good coach. But it doesn't necessarily take a good man/person to make a good coach. Is he a Neyland, a Bryant, a Rockne? I don't think so and in todays college football climate you probably wont see any more of the legendary, long term coaches. Bowden may be the last of those...
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If you take off your rival glasses, at the end of the day that's just what Meyer did...he changed his mind. I won't begin to say I know the details other than what's been reported, but to say "the jury is out" on whether or not Meyer is a good person, based on that incident alone (your words not mine) is pretty simple and shallow.

I agree you won't see another Paterno or Bowden in college football. This is a different era.

However I maintain that Meyer is among the elite CFB coaches out there today. You have every right to dispute it, but you, like others here, would be wrong.
 
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lylsmorr said:
In Utah's "big year" they beat a middle of the road A&M team at the time who ended up 7-5 and needed overtime to beat 2 shoddy teams in Colorado and TTech. They also beat Arizona, who went 3-8. UNC, who went 6-6 and was middle of the road in the ACC. and Pitt, who had a pretty good year but nothing stellar after losing to the likes of Syracuse and UConn(who hadn't been in D-1A over 3 years at the time). So while yes they did have a good year for a MWC team and did win a BCS game...that's like Iowa beating G. Tech for their BCS. Nothing special
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For Utah that was a big year.

For any non-BCS school to beat that many BCS teams on their schedule, then destroy a BCS conference champ in a bowl game, well, that's a great year...considering they have no control over how badly those BCS teams happened to suck that particular year.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
If you take off your rival glasses, at the end of the day that's just what Meyer did...he changed his mind. I won't begin to say I know the details other than what's been reported, but to say "the jury is out" on whether or not Meyer is a good person, based on that incident alone (your words not mine) is pretty simple and shallow.
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"....simple and shallow" hmmm...

If I chose to I could be much more blunt, direct and say 'what I really think' but it would only be my opinion so there is no use. I think we are at the point in the show where we must agree to disagree..


Lawrence Wright said:
However I maintain that Meyer may be among the elite CFB coaches out there today. You have every right to dispute it, but you, like others here, could be wrong.
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Sorry, I'm not ready to give him elite status yet and in the interest of objectivity I fixed your post...
 
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m1al said:
"....simple and shallow" hmmm...

If I chose to I could be much more blunt, direct and say 'what I really think' but it would only be my opinion so there is no use. I think we are at the point in the show where we must agree to disagree..

Sorry, I'm not ready to give him elite status yet and in the interest of objectivity I fixed your post...
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We can agree to disagree then. At no point did I say Meyer is one of the elite coaches ALL-TIME.

How many active CFB coaches in FBS have two national titles to their credit?

How many have won National Coach of the Year twice?

Clearly, Meyer's just a hack living off Zook's players and Florida's recruiting base (in spite of Percy Harvin, Aaron Hernandez, Carlos Dunlap, Brandon Spikes and Joe Haden NOT being from said recruiting base).
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
Clearly, Meyer's just a hack living off Zook's players and Florida's recruiting base (in spite of Percy Harvin, Aaron Hernandez, Carlos Dunlap, Brandon Spikes and Joe Haden NOT being from said recruiting base).
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Come on LW.... I have NEVER said anything like this... You're trying way to hard to make a point here and it just looks silly..
 
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m1al said:
Come on LW.... I have NEVER said anything like this... You're trying way to hard to make a point here and it just looks silly..
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You didn't, but others have said as much.

Meyer's success has largely been the result of geographic location and a weak SEC east the last 5 years.
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Being able to coach and recruit in-state kids, while cherry picking the top out of state recruits had a little something to do with it too.
 
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droski said:
boise plays in a much easier league than utah
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The two BCS bowl wins, one against a good Oklahoma team with superior talent kind of blows this argument out of the water. That win against Oklahoma was one of the best coached games I have ever seen. And the difference between Boise State conference and Utah conference is splitting hairs.

Look, Meyer is a good coach. Nobody, including myself, disagrees with that. It is tough to win two national titles, no matter the school or recruiting base. I just don't think he is as elite as everybody makes him out to be. Everybody can flame all they want at that, I don't care. We'll see how he does this year. If he wins a national title this year without Mullen, Strong, Tebow, etc....then it will go a long way to change my opinion. Until then I still contend he is a great coach that walked into a perfect situation of great talent already on the team and a SECE that was as weak as it has ever been. He made the most of it, kudos to him.

He's still an emotional lying D'bag though.
 
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rjd970 said:
The two BCS bowl wins, one against a good Oklahoma team with superior talent kind of blows this argument out of the water. That win against Oklahoma was one of the best coached games I have ever seen. And the difference between Boise State conference and Utah conference is splitting hairs.
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That Oklahoma-Boise State bowl game was one of the most exciting bowl games ever. But as far as making a statement for non-BCS conferences getting a shot at the BCS national title, I'll take Utah's dismantling of an Alabama team that was one bad 4th quarter away from playing for a national title of their own.

Look, Meyer is a good coach. Nobody, including myself, disagrees with that. It is tough to win two national titles, no matter the school or recruiting base. I just don't think he is as elite as everybody makes him out to be.
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So it's such a tough accomplishment only a handful active coaches have done it, yet Meyer isn't elite in your opinion. Got it.

Everybody can flame all they want at that, I don't care. We'll see how he does this year. If he wins a national title this year without Mullen, Strong, Tebow, etc....then it will go a long way to change my opinion.
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So Meyer winning a third national title in 6 years isn't enough to completely change your opinion....yeah, you're objective.

Until then I still contend he is a great coach that walked into a perfect situation of great talent already on the team and a SECE that was as weak as it has ever been. He made the most of it, kudos to him.
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Meyer did walk into a good situation talent-wise thanks to Zook. He took that talent and took it places Zook never could, even though the talent didn't fit the offense he wanted to run...an offense many said would never work in the SEC.

Meyer destroyed what was thought by many to be an invincible Ohio State team with players that didn't fit his system. Two years later, after recruiting his ass off, he won another title with his own players.

Yeah coaches like that are a dime a dozen in CFB these days....nothing elite about that at all.... :ermm:
 
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