Ronald Powell and Dominique Easley threaten to transfer from Florida

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Wow, gators and bammmers have hijacked a thread on Volnation. It's fun watching them eat each other.:p
 
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punkcat said:
Wow, gators and bammmers have hijacked a thread on Volnation. It's fun watching them eat each other.:p
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:lolabove:....Let's give them some baseball bats and hockey sticks...:popcorn:
 
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I'll go on record (FWIW in this debate) as saying I think UF had the better overall talent last year, and UA had the better overall coaching staff.

I still contend Meyer is only a top 20% coach in Div. I football that sits in the middle of a recruiting hotbed. I said in another thread, a coach like Peterson could probably come in and produce similar, if not better results. This isn't haterism, it is just the way I am seeing the evidence. Spurrier, while a good coach, hasn't done squat at SC...and Zook, probably one of the worst coaches ever to come through the SEC had no problem bringing in top talent but couldn't coach them.

The litmus test would be to see how Meyer could fare at a school like Tennessee, or see if he could do any better than Spurrier at SC. Of the Florida coaches I have remembered in tmy lifetime, I would rank them Spurrier, Meyer, and Zook. Meyer's success has largely been the result of geographic location and a weak SEC east the last 5 years.
 
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rjd970 said:
I'll go on record (FWIW in this debate) as saying I think UF had the better overall talent last year, and UA had the better overall coaching staff.

I still contend Meyer is only a top 20% coach in Div. I football that sits in the middle of a recruiting hotbed. I said in another thread, a coach like Peterson could probably come in and produce similar, if not better results. This isn't haterism, it is just the way I am seeing the evidence. Spurrier, while a good coach, hasn't done squat at SC...and Zook, probably one of the worst coaches ever to come through the SEC had no problem bringing in top talent but couldn't coach them.

The litmus test would be to see how Meyer could fare at a school like Tennessee, or see if he could do any better than Spurrier at SC. Of the Florida coaches I have remembered in tmy lifetime, I would rank them Spurrier, Meyer, and Zook. Meyer's success has largely been the result of geographic location and a weak SEC east the last 5 years.
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As much as I hate the guy, Meyer is a damn good coach. Let's just take out Florida for a second. How can you explain what he did at Utah for two years? A 22-2 record, BCS bowl win, and the 1st pick of the draft. He was pretty good at Bowling Green too. Now add in the fact that he's in a recruiting hotbed and you have a dominate coach. He's very good at adjusting his schemes to fit personnel (from Smith, to Leak, to Tebow) and he's a hell of a recruiter.
 
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Sudeepvol said:
As much as I hate the guy, Meyer is a damn good coach. Let's just take out Florida for a second. How can you explain what he did at Utah for two years? A 22-2 record, BCS bowl win, and the 1st pick of the draft. He was pretty good at Bowling Green too. Now add in the fact that he's in a recruiting hotbed and you have a dominate coach. He's very good at adjusting his schemes to fit personnel (from Smith, to Leak, to Tebow) and he's a hell of a recruiter.
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Meyer wasn't sitting on a hot bed of talent at Utah. I agree. Take Florida out of it and see what Meyers record is. It's pretty obvious he can coach.
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Sudeepvol said:
As much as I hate the guy, Meyer is a damn good coach. Let's just take out Florida for a second. How can you explain what he did at Utah for two years? A 22-2 record, BCS bowl win, and the 1st pick of the draft. He was pretty good at Bowling Green too. Now add in the fact that he's in a recruiting hotbed and you have a dominate coach. He's very good at adjusting his schemes to fit personnel (from Smith, to Leak, to Tebow) and he's a hell of a recruiter.
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I still go back to the Chris Peterson argument. He has done more at Boise St. than Meyer ever did at Utah. At the very least, he deserves the same kind of accolades. Look at Spurrier, he was viewed as a genius while at Florida....not so much at SC. Talent goes a long way to making a coach look really good.

I'm not saying Meyer isn't a good coach, I'm just saying he wouldn't have the success he had over the last several years if he wasn't at Florida, with effortless recruiting and playing in a time when the SEC east was about as weak as it has been in a long while.
 
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rjd970 said:
I'm not saying Meyer isn't a good coach, I'm just saying he wouldn't have the success he had over the last several years if he wasn't at Florida, with effortless recruiting and playing in a time when the SEC east was about as weak as it has been in a long while.
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Let's just suppose that Meyer is a good coach. Without him and his parade of good assistant coaches, maybe Florida wouldn't have had the success they have had over the last several years. Without Meyer's relentless nationwide recruiting and coaching in a time when schools like ut, uga, and usc weren't made to look weak by a mythical force and could have won more games, maybe an SEC title or two and competed for NCs if not for Meyer's accidental success.

I know it sounds crazy, but it is possible.
 
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rjd970 said:
I'll go on record (FWIW in this debate) as saying I think UF had the better overall talent last year, and UA had the better overall coaching staff.

I still contend Meyer is only a top 20% coach in Div. I football that sits in the middle of a recruiting hotbed. I said in another thread, a coach like Peterson could probably come in and produce similar, if not better results. This isn't haterism, it is just the way I am seeing the evidence. Spurrier, while a good coach, hasn't done squat at SC...and Zook, probably one of the worst coaches ever to come through the SEC had no problem bringing in top talent but couldn't coach them.

The litmus test would be to see how Meyer could fare at a school like Tennessee, or see if he could do any better than Spurrier at SC. Of the Florida coaches I have remembered in tmy lifetime, I would rank them Spurrier, Meyer, and Zook. Meyer's success has largely been the result of geographic location and a weak SEC east the last 5 years.
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So we've established that Meyer has won at the "mid-major" level, in addition to winning the national title twice while navigating the toughest conference in the land.

We've also established the Boise State coach has been extremely successful at Boise State, but has yet to lead major program to any level of success.

Yet you conclude the jury is still out on Meyer?
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Lawrence Wright said:
So we've established that Meyer has won at the "mid-major" level, in addition to winning the national title twice while navigating the toughest conference in the land.

We've also established the Boise State coach has been extremely successful at Boise State, but has yet to lead major program to any level of success.

Yet you conclude the jury is still out on Meyer?
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On the coaching question, no. He is a good coach.

On the Meyer being a tool question, a bit more deliberation is required... :)
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
If UT was my alma mater, I'd hate Meyer too.
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LW, hate is an awfully strong word. I really don't hate anyone. My thing with Meyer is the whole I'm sick, I want to be with my family and I'm retiring, wait I had a dream about coaching a 5 star recruit so now I'm not episode (or whatever story he and the FL fanbase came up with at the time). I think he's a good coach. I'm just not convinced he's a good man but I'll try and keep an open mind..
 
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m1al said:
LW, hate is an awfully strong word. I really don't hate anyone. My thing with Meyer is the whole I'm sick, I want to be with my family and I'm retiring, wait I had a dream about coaching a 5 star recruit so now I'm not episode (or whatever story he and the FL fanbase came up with at the time). I think he's a good coach. I'm just not convinced he's a good man but I'll try and keep an open mind..
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So he's potentially a bad person for changing his mind.
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Lawrence Wright said:
So we've established that Meyer has won at the "mid-major" level, in addition to winning the national title twice while navigating the toughest conference in the land.

We've also established the Boise State coach has been extremely successful at Boise State, but has yet to lead major program to any level of success.

Yet you conclude the jury is still out on Meyer?
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Ask yourself this question.

What if Meyer were the coach of Tennessee the last 5 years? Honestly, would we all be sitting here kissing his arse, calling him the greatest gift to college football coaching?

Bottom line, he's a really good coach that stepped into a great situation. There is no reason to believe a number of other coaches in the country right now couldn't have replicated what he has done.

One thing we have established without a doubt is he is an emotional basket case and d'bag of the first order. If Fulmer, Saban, Miles, or whoever had told a recruit that he had a dream about him, or that his starting QB was a linebacker you wouldn't let it go for a second.
 
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Not questioning his coaching abilities, as I have said, he is a great coach.

Just saying he isn't as phenomenal as everybody makes him out to be.
 
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rjd970 said:
Ask yourself this question.

What if Meyer were the coach of Tennessee the last 5 years? Honestly, would we all be sitting here kissing his arse, calling him the greatest gift to college football coaching?

Bottom line, he's a really good coach that stepped into a great situation. There is no reason to believe a number of other coaches in the country right now couldn't have replicated what he has done.

One thing we have established without a doubt is he is an emotional basket case and d'bag of the first order. If Fulmer, Saban, Miles, or whoever had told a recruit that he had a dream about him, or that his starting QB was a linebacker you wouldn't let it go for a second.
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You want me to agree to your hypothetical situation as though it's some sort of fact or foregone conclusion?

No thanks.

You don't know how Meyer would fare at Tennessee any more than you know how Boise State's coach would perform at a school like Florida. It's your opinion and nothing more.

You can attack Meyer's personality all day long....it's the only card you have to play....but the FACT is Urban Meyer is one of a handful of elite coaches in college football. You can't dispute this.
 
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rjd970 said:
Not questioning his coaching abilities, as I have said, he is a great coach.

Just saying he isn't as phenomenal as everybody makes him out to be.
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So I'm guessing if a Tennessee coach...any Tennessee coach...ran off two national titles in his first four years on the job, you wouldn't consider him to be a "phenomenal" coach?
 
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