Rotation for 2012-2013 season...

#26
#26
zjcvols said:
Tough to say. I think you are underselling Armani Moore too. He will play

PG Trae Golden 30 minutes/Armani Moore 10 minutes
SG Jordan McRae 25 minutes/Skylar McBee 15 minutes
SF Josh Richardson 25 minutes/D'Montre Edwards 10 minutes/Jordan McRae 5 minutes
PF Jeronne Maymon 30 minutes/Kenny Hall 10 minutes
C Jarnell Stokes 30 minutes/Kenny Hall 10 minutes

The only reason Yemi should play will be for foul trouble. Knowing our bigs, that will be a good amount however.

I think Moore becomes the backup PG.

Edwards and McBee will be fighting for minutes. Whichever is the best player will play the 15-20 minutes a night.
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I like everything you have here except Skylar only getting 15 mpg. I think his hustle keeps him in the starting lineup as long as his shot is falling. I fully expect him to get 25+ min/g this year unless his shooting completely falls off.
 
#27
#27
zansdad said:
I like everything you have here except Skylar only getting 15 mpg. I think his hustle keeps him in the starting lineup as long as his shot is falling. I fully expect him to get 25+ min/g this year unless his shooting completely falls off.
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He might. Not dogging Skylar at all.

It's up to Jordan McRae really.
 
#28
#28
zjcvols said:
He might. Not dogging Skylar at all.

It's up to Jordan McRae really.
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My hopes are for Skylar to hold down the SG spot (by earning it) and Jordan to be the scoring off the bench. Richardson, Golden, Stokes, Maymonn and McBee are a pretty balanced starting unit and it gives you 3 offensive options, a lock down defender and a roll player/spot up shooter. If McRae plays, he shoots...a lot. That would be better suited to a second squad where you don't necessarily have a bunch of other scoring options.
 
#29
#29
zansdad said:
My hopes are for Skylar to hold down the SG spot (by earning it) and Jordan to be the scoring off the bench. Richardson, Golden, Stokes, Maymonn and McBee are a pretty balanced starting unit and it gives you 3 offensive options, a lock down defender and a roll player/spot up shooter. If McRae plays, he shoots...a lot. That would be better suited to a second squad where you don't necessarily have a bunch of other scoring options.
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I can see that. However, we need a consistent wing scorer. McRae can hopefully provide that next year, plus he has shown the ability to shoot from the outside.
 
#30
#30
zjcvols said:
I can see that. However, we need a consistent wing scorer. McRae can hopefully provide that next year, plus he has shown the ability to shoot from the outside.
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Skylar is consistent enough as long as he isn't asked to create his own shot. That's where McRae really outshines both Richardson and McBee.
 
#32
#32
If Skylar continues to improve as he did last season, he has a case for starting SG or at least 20 mpg.

Whata turnaround this kid had made. You guys remember how I used to dog him? I've never been happier at being proved wrong.
 
#33
#33
Chris4Vols22 said:
If Skylar continues to improve as he did last season, he has a case for starting SG or at least 20 mpg.

Whata turnaround this kid had made. You guys remember how I used to dog him? I've never been happier at being proved wrong.
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It does show that in college it can often be as much about effort and attitude as it is about talent and athletism.
 
#34
#34
zansdad said:
Skylar is consistent enough as long as he isn't asked to create his own shot. That's where McRae really outshines both Richardson and McBee.
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And other than Golden, we don't have a guy who can do that other than McRae, which is what we really need.
 
#35
#35
bleedingTNorange said:
Well I'm bored so let's talk some B-Ball.

It appeared UT was looking to add another player, but those talks appear to have died. So it would seem that next years roster is set, curious as to how everyone sees the rotation shaking out next year.

We know that early on well probably see 10 or 11, but for the sake of argument let's make the predictions based on start of conference slate. We know CCM likes to play a 9 man rotation, although that 9th man can change game to game, with that said here's my thought...

PG: Trae Golden 30/ Richardson 10
SG: Jordan McRae 20/ mcbee 15/ josh 5
SF: D'montre Edwards 30/ Mcrae 10
F: Jarnell Stokes 30/ maymon 10
F: Jeronne Maymom 20/ Kenny 15/ yemi 5
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I'll be shocked if Edwards sees anything close to those minutes.
 
#36
#36
TennesseeFan07 said:
I'll be shocked if Edwards sees anything close to those minutes.
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I admit I may be expecting too much, but I just see him being a guy CCM loves and plays. He already has the sec body, he plays great D, rebounds with authority, and has a better offensive game than most our other wings.

He reminds me of a cam tatum with more muscle, good knees and less bonehead plays. IMO hes going to be a sold player for us, but I admit 30 mpg may be a bit much, especially starting off. I do expect it to be 20+ mpg though.

The question mark in my mind is between josh, skylar and Jordan, who gets what minutes??? Hopefully one of those guys steps up and becomes a very solid player for us on both ends of the court. I agree with Zans though, we may be better off with Jordan coming off the bench. If Jordan starts and skylar comes of the bench it doesn't give you that scorer in your second group. To me that 6th man maybe a perfect role for Jordan, he can come in and look to score, where as with the starting unit the ball needs to be going inside. And on the flip side it works better for skylar as well. He's good at entry passes and can just spot up for kick outs all day long from the post.
 
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#37
#37
bleedingTNorange said:
I admit I may be expecting too much, but I just see him being a guy CCM loves and plays. He already has the sec body, he plays great D, rebounds with authority, and has a better offensive game than most our other wings.

He reminds me of a cam tatum with more muscle, good knees and less bonehead plays. IMO hes going to be a sold player for us, but I admit 30 mpg may be a bit much, especially starting off. I do expect it to be 20+ mpg though.

The question mark in my mind is between josh, skylar and Jordan, who gets what minutes??? Hopefully one of those guys steps up and becomes a very solid player for us on both ends of the court. I agree with Zans though, we may be better ff with Jordan coming off the bench. If Jordan starts and skylar comes of the bench it doesn't give you that scorer in your second group. To me that 6th man maybe a perfect role for Jordan, he can come in and look to score, where as with the starting unit the ball needs to be going inside.
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I've been harping on Jordan McRae for two years now. I'm just waiting for him to live up to his potential. Like I did last season, I'll once again predict that he'll have a breakout season.
 
#38
#38
TennesseeFan07 said:
I've been harping on Jordan McRae for two years now. I'm just waiting for him to live up to his potential. Like I did last season, I'll once again predict that he'll have a breakout season.
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He showed more hope that he's closer and closer to being there so lets hope. I still think he's perfectly suited for the 6th man role in this system.

That doesn't mean he won't get major minutes, just not starting and playing with the 1st unit the whole time.

After thinking about it and reading everyone's reasonings, I see it looking like this IMO:

PG: golden 30/ Moore 10
SG: skylar 20/ Josh 20
SF: d'montre 20/ Jordan 20
F: stokes 30/ maymon 10
F: maymon 20/ hall 20
 
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#39
#39
With that said, does anybody think yemi should redshirt?

Keep in mind if something happens, injury or suspension you can still play yemi you just lose the RS.

I see a 3 man rotation being fine in the post and maymon and stokes need as many minutes as possible. If you run into foul trouble you still have miller on the bench, and chievous who coach has said can play the 4.

Yemi obviously started coming on last year, but it was evident he was still raw. A RS year IMO would be great for him and would give us that extra year from him that we could definitely use going forward.
 
#40
#40
bleedingTNorange said:
Well I'm bored so let's talk some B-Ball.

It appeared UT was looking to add another player, but those talks appear to have died. So it would seem that next years roster is set, curious as to how everyone sees the rotation shaking out next year.

We know that early on well probably see 10 or 11, but for the sake of argument let's make the predictions based on start of conference slate. We know CCM likes to play a 9 man rotation, although that 9th man can change game to game, with that said here's my thought...

PG: Trae Golden 30/ Richardson 10
SG: Jordan McRae 20/ mcbee 15/ josh 5
SF: D'montre Edwards 30/ Mcrae 10
F: Jarnell Stokes 30/ maymon 10
F: Jeronne Maymom 20/ Kenny 15/ yemi 5
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I just realized josh could play the 3 and has a real good chance of being the starter there
 
#41
#41
omghulkhands said:
I just realized josh could play the 3 and has a real good chance of being the starter there
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I think the fact that Edwards and McRae are better suited for the 3 defensively, they will probably both see their minutes at the 3.

I see skylar and josh battling each other for minutes at the 2. If josh can improve his shot enough, you may see him getting the start over skylar.
 
#42
#42
I've never seen Edwards play, but where are you getting the reports on him being a great defender? Not saying you're wrong, but the guy on here who saw him play (Space Coast Vol?) didn't note anything spectacular about his defense. Of course, going back and reading it, it appears the team was playing zone.

And, I think it may be a wee bit of a stretch to say he has a better offensive game than our wings. He averaged 14 in JUCO. I'll bet McRae would have lit up that league.

He was a good rebounder, nearly 8 a game.

Being optimistic is probably better than being pessimistic. If he can give the team 12-15 solid minutes/game, that should be all they need. McRae, McBee, Richardson and Trae should be carrying the majority of the load on the perimeter.

bleedingTNorange said:
I admit I may be expecting too much, but I just see him being a guy CCM loves and plays. He already has the sec body, he plays great D, rebounds with authority, and has a better offensive game than most our other wings.
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#43
#43
You're saying 12-15, I said 20, not that far of a difference.

His fg% was very good, even for juco, it is considered good.

As you said good rebounder, and from summaries I've read, statements from his coach and summaries coming out of high school, his defense is good.

One advantage he has is he already had a sec body, more so than mcbee Richardson and definitely McRae. The guy just smells of CCM love Fest to me, plays hard, takes good shots, rebounds the ball, strong body, good defender.

I could very well be wrong and he could be a bust, it's just my opinion on him from what I've seen and heard.
 
#44
#44
bleedingTNorange said:
I think the fact that Edwards and McRae are better suited for the 3 defensively, they will probably both see their minutes at the 3.

I see skylar and josh battling each other for minutes at the 2. If josh can improve his shot enough, you may see him getting the start over skylar.
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I don't think Jordan defends well at any position and Skylar is more suited to be on a spot up shooter or a slower guard. Josh is listed as 6-6 186 in the program and Cam is listed at 6-7 193, I think it is a natural fit IMO
 
#45
#45
omghulkhands said:
I don't think Jordan defends well at any position and Skylar is more suited to be on a spot up shooter or a slower guard. Josh is listed as 6-6 186 in the program and Cam is listed at 6-7 193, I think it is a natural fit IMO
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Jordy is slower than josh, usually your 2 is quicker than 3 USUALLY, jordys D did get much better though throughout the year. Agreed about skykar, they usually match him with the oppositions slowest 1-3. I'm hoping skylar and josh both don't start, IMO unless either had improved dramatically, that's not enough offense at the 2&3. We had that issue last year, and can was arguably better offensively than josh, so it'd be a decline.

I'm hoping one of skylar/josh gets the start at the 2, and one of d'montre/jordy get the start at the 3.
 
#46
#46
Coach Martin was really praising McRaes play in the SEC teleconference today, and was also very high on Kenny. Said Jordy has really been playing well and showing a lot in practice, and Kenny has been great.

If this is true, and both those guys are stepping up that's great news for tennessees chances to be as successful as possible this year. If jordy can step up and play tough and smart on both ends, he clearly has the talent, then well finally have that wing we've been missing. And if Kenny can step up as a senior and play 20-25 solid minute behind stokes and Maymon in the post we very well could have the best post trio in te sec, and right up at the top in the nation IMO.
 
#47
#47
Anybody else at all concerned with replacing Tatum's production? Wing is probably my biggest area of concern (yes, even more so than guard play) for this season.

I was down on Cam all season last year, but after going back and watching the highlights from every game last year multiple times (because I've been bored), I began to notice that when Cam had a big game, we usually fared well and vice versa. He had big games against UConn and Vandy to name a few, and those were some of the best performances we had as a team.

I'm hopeful that with another offseason for McRae, McBee and Richardson, and with the addition of Chievous, Edwards and Reese we'll more than make up for the loss of Tatum. Still worries me though - wouldn't be surprised if I find myself wishing he was still on the team a time or two this season.
 
#48
#48
MannyD said:
Anybody else at all concerned with replacing Tatum's production? Wing is probably my biggest area of concern (yes, even more so than guard play) for this season.

I was down on Cam all season last year, but after going back and watching the highlights from every game last year multiple times (because I've been bored), I began to notice that when Cam had a big game, we usually fared well and vice versa. He had big games against UConn and Vandy to name a few, and those were some of the best performances we had as a team.

I'm hopeful that with another offseason for McRae, McBee and Richardson, and with the addition of Chievous, Edwards and Reese we'll more than make up for the loss of Tatum. Still worries me though - wouldn't be surprised if I find myself wishing he was still on the team a time or two this season.
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If McRae can play in the offense like he's supposed to, I think we'll be fine. However, he's going to need to be a lot better than he was last year. Granted he had a few good games, but he was mostly out of control.
 
#49
#49
I expect good things from chievous and Edwards at the 3, I think they'll more than offset the loss of cam. The 2 will be the biggest question, can one of Richardson, Mcbee or McRae step forward and become a solid performer at the 2. If McRae steps forward like CCM has made it sound, and chievous/Edwards play the 3 like they're capable of, I think this team can be VERY good.
 
#50
#50
I've always been high on McRae so I hope he shows up. He's an amazing player but has a very low basketball IQ and pulls the trigger too fast. I really hope he's spent a lot of time in the film room and paid attention to Martin & Co. or he'll end his career as a poor mans Scotty Hopson and he has a TON of potential.
 
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