Rotation for 2012-2013 season...

#51
#51
Shaun1985 said:
I've always been high on McRae so I hope he shows up. He's an amazing player but has a very low basketball IQ and pulls the trigger too fast. I really hope he's spent a lot of time in the film room and paid attention to Martin & Co. or he'll end his career as a poor mans Scotty Hopson and he has a TON of potential.
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I want to say that Martin will help elevate McRae. Hope I'm right.
 
#52
#52
Not to beat a dead horse, but the more I hear I feel like Mcbees minutes are going to drop drastically this year.
 
#53
#53
bleedingTNorange said:
Not to beat a dead horse, but the more I hear I feel like Mcbees minutes are going to drop drastically this year.
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Not to just continuously keep bashing McBee, but that would only be a good thing for our team. If the others are stepping up their game and defense to push McBee to the bench would only make us stronger. We have talented players and this is the year they need to shine.
 
#54
#54
bleedingTNorange said:
Not to beat a dead horse, but the more I hear I feel like Mcbees minutes are going to drop drastically this year.
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May be the case, but I'm in a 'wait and see' mode as it pertains to our personnel at the 2 and 3 positions. McBee has the advantage of experience over most of other guys at these positions, with the exception of McRae and maybe Richardson. If guys are able to guard their man and show some consistency, you'll see Skylar's minutes reduced. Otherwise, I think you have to go with McBee because of his experience.
 
#55
#55
johnnybravo said:
Not to just continuously keep bashing McBee, but that would only be a good thing for our team. If the others are stepping up their game and defense to push McBee to the bench would only make us stronger. We have talented players and this is the year they need to shine.
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Exactly, very well said. It's not as much about Mcbee as it is others, if the others will play with the same defensive intensity and are capable of hitting the open shot, while then were better with them. Skylar wasn't a 50% 3pt shooter, infact his % wasn't what you'd consider to be a 3 point specialist, like a Brady heslip. So if Richardson, McRae and chievous can hit the 3 around 35% and committ to playing defense, we are a much better team with them out there.

Everything I've heard and seen shows...Jordan is playing with much more energy and commitment on both ends, the IQ I'm unsure about still though. Richardson has definitely worked on his shot, the elbow is in a better spot, and he's hitting the 3 with consistency. Chievous has a SEC body, plays hard and great defender and rebounder, reminds me of Richardson but bigger stronger and probably not quite the defender. However, his offensive game looks to be very solid and his shot looks nice and has a deep range.

I see a 4 man rotation on the wings: McRae, Edwards, Richardson an chievous and probably some spot minutes for skylar, but for the most part I don't think we see him.
 
#56
#56
Cant McRae or Richardson slide over to the 3? At least until one of the new guys steps up and proves themselves?
 
#57
#57
Bassmanbruno said:
Cant McRae or Richardson slide over to the 3? At least until one of the new guys steps up and proves themselves?
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McRae and Richardson can play both, my though is Q and Edwards are mainly 3's. So IMO...
PG: golden 30/ Richardson 10
SG: McRae 25/ Richardson 10/ Mcbee 5
SF: Edwards 20/Q 20
F: Maymon 30/ stokes 10
F: stokes 20/ hall 20

I could see Armani getting Mcbees minutes and takings few from josh
 
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#58
#58
Bassmanbruno said:
Cant McRae or Richardson slide over to the 3? At least until one of the new guys steps up and proves themselves?
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It's just going to be putting the most talent on the floor. If McBee is better than McRae, Richardson, Chievous, and Edwards, then that's great. But we may as well just call the 2 and 3 positions "guards" because there is virtually no discernible difference between the positions in our system. So as long as the other guys are playing well, McBee's minutes go down.
 
#59
#59
Yups. I agree. Martin won't keep McBee in because he's a nice guy. If he's one of the best options we have at the moment, he'll play but if everyone plays to their abilities, McBee rides the pine.
 
#60
#60
I am going to continue to be the voice of dissention here. I think McBee still gets 20 minutes a game. McBee has 3 years of experience in the SEC and, while BTO doesn't apparently appreciate it, he is the best 3 point shooter on the team. He also brings a certain lunch pail attitude that I think Martin likes. CCM rewarded Cam last year for working hard on the defensive end, his hustle, and his leadership and I expect the same will be done for McBee this year.
 
#61
#61
Skyler will start at the beginning of the season with major competition from Jordy and Josh. Eventually he will be supplanted by Jordy more than likely. I think by the time the SEC rolls around I think we have this starting lineup:

PG: Golden
SG: Jordy
SF: Q
PF: Maymon
C: Stokes
 
#62
#62
Yeah I don't see McBees minutes going away - I always think that it will happen but he always finds a way to earn playing team even when being way out talented.
 
#63
#63
MothershipChip said:
Skyler will start at the beginning of the season with major competition from Jordy and Josh. Eventually he will be supplanted by Jordy more than likely. I think by the time the SEC rolls around I think we have this starting lineup:

PG: Golden
SG: Jordy
SF: Q
PF: Maymon
C: Stokes
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Chievous locking down one of the wing spots and being a real contibuter might go a long way to making people feel better about CCM's recruiting and eye for talent.
 
#64
#64
MothershipChip said:
Skyler will start at the beginning of the season with major competition from Jordy and Josh. Eventually he will be supplanted by Jordy more than likely. I think by the time the SEC rolls around I think we have this starting lineup:

PG: Golden
SG: Jordy
SF: Q
PF: Maymon
C: Stokes
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Haven't seen Edwards play yet, but I'm guessing he may be a better option than Chievous. Who knows though? And I like Chievous too, so it'll be great if he cracks the starting lineup.
 
#65
#65
MothershipChip said:
Skyler will start at the beginning of the season with major competition from Jordy and Josh. Eventually he will be supplanted by Jordy more than likely. I think by the time the SEC rolls around I think we have this starting lineup:

PG: Golden
SG: Jordy
SF: Q
PF: Maymon
C: Stokes
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Pretty much what i'm thinking as well.
 
#66
#66
I'm in the camp that thinks McBee will continue to see minutes and not because I'm necessarily rooting for him. He's solid all around, and even if a new comer is better at certain aspects of game, it's hard to expect that you'll get consistent play from them. Consistency is the reason McBee will keep playing.
 
#67
#67
Mcrae's stats should improve this season because he showed much improvement down the stretch last season. This season, I think he is going to have to earn his starting spot on both ends of the floor again. If he starts the season off slow and timid or plays soft during SEC play, I will not be surprised to see him coming off the bench in some games.
 
#68
#68
zansdad said:
I am going to continue to be the voice of dissention here. I think McBee still gets 20 minutes a game. McBee has 3 years of experience in the SEC and, while BTO doesn't apparently appreciate it, he is the best 3 point shooter on the team. He also brings a certain lunch pail attitude that I think Martin likes. CCM rewarded Cam last year for working hard on the defensive end, his hustle, and his leadership and I expect the same will be done for McBee this year.
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It's not that I don't appreciate it, it's the I'm realistic. While 39% is considered good, it isn't considered a knock down all you can do is shoot 3's type of player. Like I mentioned prior, look at heslip from Baylor, that's how it's supposed to be done if all you are is a 3 point shooter. Heslip is much like Mcbee, slow, unathletic, high iq, hustler but the difference...Heslip lives up to the billing of a 3point specialist.

So...with Mcbee at 39%..you're telling me that if josh can come out and shoot 35-38% and Q can shoot right around the same, that they aren't better option than Mcbee? I disagrees mightily. Both bring the same toughness Mcbee does that CCM drools over, and if they can shoot close to what Mcbee did then there's no real advantage to Mcbee out there.

Now I will admit as some have said, Mcbee seems to always find a way to get minutes. I do expect him to probably start the year a a starter, or getting good minutes. But as te season progresses I expect Q and josh to both emerge and take minutes away from Mcbee. Basically by the time February rolls around, I don't expect Mcbee to be starting or seeing more than 10-12 minutes a game on average, I guess well see.

Once again this isn't bashing Mcbee, I like the guy have hung out with him, I'm just being realistic. If Q and josh can come close to that 39%, and jordy can bring the intensity and become smarter, we're flat out a better team because of it, simple as that.
 
#69
#69
The only thing I'll say to that is that I think McBee shoots > 40% from three next year. I think his shot steadily improved last season, expect the same improvement this season...thanks Kent Williams.

Then again, I'm sure I'll be wrong.
 
#70
#70
Anyone else hoping for a few "I guess we were wrong about the Vols" articles when it gets closer to bball season? They better write that s*** up.
 
#71
#71
MannyD said:
The only thing I'll say to that is that I think McBee shoots > 40% from three next year. I think his shot steadily improved last season, expect the same improvement this season...thanks Kent Williams.

Then again, I'm sure I'll be wrong.
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Actually it's was horrible towards the end of the year, didn't improve. All season he was a much much much better shooter at home than on the road, he was horrid on the road. If he can shoot 45%, like heslip, then sure his minutes stay up and probably continues to start but I just don't see it.

I hope I'm wrong because I do like him, and I think if he can be that shooter our bigs will really benefit from it.
 
#75
#75
bleedingTNorange said:
It's not that I don't appreciate it, it's the I'm realistic. While 39% is considered good, it isn't considered a knock down all you can do is shoot 3's type of player. Like I mentioned prior, look at heslip from Baylor, that's how it's supposed to be done if all you are is a 3 point shooter. Heslip is much like Mcbee, slow, unathletic, high iq, hustler but the difference...Heslip lives up to the billing of a 3point specialist.

So...with Mcbee at 39%..you're telling me that if josh can come out and shoot 35-38% and Q can shoot right around the same, that they aren't better option than Mcbee? I disagrees mightily. Both bring the same toughness Mcbee does that CCM drools over, and if they can shoot close to what Mcbee did then there's no real advantage to Mcbee out there.

Now I will admit as some have said, Mcbee seems to always find a way to get minutes. I do expect him to probably start the year a a starter, or getting good minutes. But as te season progresses I expect Q and josh to both emerge and take minutes away from Mcbee. Basically by the time February rolls around, I don't expect Mcbee to be starting or seeing more than 10-12 minutes a game on average, I guess well see.

Once again this isn't bashing Mcbee, I like the guy have hung out with him, I'm just being realistic. If Q and josh can come close to that 39%, and jordy can bring the intensity and become smarter, we're flat out a better team because of it, simple as that.
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I will try to go at it from this angle. McBee knows his role on the team. I am not sure McRae does or that Richardson can fill it. Chievous and Reese have never played a single game against D1 competition let alone SEC competition. Just a few months ago people on here, you included, were speculating that Chievous might be asked to go elsewhere. Now, he has a couple good RTL games and he's being pencilled in for 20 min a game. I just don't see it and until I do I will stick with McBee gets 20 mins a game.

And, I don't know how you can honestly talk about Josh R, who shot a whopping 24% 3pt last year to be in the 35%-39% range. If he does then fine, but I won't hold my breath waiting for it to happen.
 
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