Rush Limbaugh has passed

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n_huffhines said:
He's a big reason for the current climate, IMO. Republicans used to be the party of the high road and he was kind of the inception of the antagonistic right-wing. Maybe he was justified because of the way the left behaves but it's hard to argue the results are good. Reagan was probably the high-point for the Republican party. Rush shows up and besides the contract with America, the R party has pretty much been a **** show ever since.
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“I know the liberals call you the most dangerous man in America, but don’t worry about it. They used to say the same thing about me. Keep up the good work,” former President Ronald Reagan wrote to him in 1992.
 
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n_huffhines said:
He's a big reason for the current climate, IMO. Republicans used to be the party of the high road and he was kind of the inception of the antagonistic right-wing. Maybe he was justified because of the way the left behaves but it's hard to argue the results are good. Reagan was probably the high-point for the Republican party. Rush shows up and besides the contract with America, the R party has pretty much been a **** show ever since.
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Partially the reason I "outgrew" his program. When he came on the scene, Ds held control of Congress for 4 decades. Rs in Congress were very weak. Whether Rush was a net positive for that party is debatable.
I know I would really like to see someone who is willing to fight for individual freedom and legit smaller government.
 
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evillawyer said:
Nothing good came out of that show. I put him in the same camp as Gingrich.
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Did the charity he raised money for and donate to, himself, not count as anything good? I mean, when you say nothing (no thing) good came from the show, do you wish the charity would not benefit?
 
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theFallGuy said:
“I know the liberals call you the most dangerous man in America, but don’t worry about it. They used to say the same thing about me. Keep up the good work,” former President Ronald Reagan wrote to him in 1992.
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Reagan had class and almost everything seemed great at the time, but in hindsight, he was kind of a dope.
 
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McDad said:
Of course not. It was no more debate than any agenda-driven entertainment.

You posted as if you had listened a lot. You also tend to be level headed. That's why I was curious on your take.

I liked it, myself. In an era where the "other side" was/is shutting down those with differing opinions, he welcomed them to his show as a caller. Others had a cynical view of the practice calling it a stunt but I never got that impression.
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I wouldn't say I listened a lot, but I definitely listened more than people on the left did. I probably listened the most in college, when I had a longer commute into campus. If you separate the opinion from the bombast, I basically agreed with almost everything he said with the exception of foreign policy (Rush was a huge Iraq War guy). I always kind of got the impression that the rare instance he had a liberal caller on was a stunt. The liberals he had on were never reasonable, articulate people, which was by design. They frequently sounded like wide-eyed, foaming at the mouth folks "triggered" by him and the usually just attacked him personally.

I had stopped listening to him by that point, but one thing he did that really grinded my gears was the Sandra Fluke thing. By calling her a slut, it allowed the left to dismiss any critique of Obamacare as sexism. Once he said that, it seemed like some folks who were on the fence or had no opinion about the ACA were pushed into supporting it because the didn't want to be seen as agreeing with the conservative talk show guy who called an ACA supporter a slut. A lot of apolitical people, or people not really knowledgeable about the law who didn't have an opinion, were really turned off by that.
 
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GVF said:
Can you provide an instance in which Rush trashed a persons character and beliefs at their passing ??
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Rush Limbaugh, radio king and architect of right wing, dies

When the actor Michael J. Fox, suffering from Parkinson’s disease, appeared in a commercial for a Democrat, Limbaugh mocked him and his tremors. When a Washington advocate for the homeless committed suicide, he cracked a string of jokes. As the AIDS epidemic raged in the 1980s, he made the dying a punchline.

"When you strip it all away, Jerry Garcia destroyed his life on drugs. And yet he's being honored, like some godlike figure. Our priorities are out of whack, folks. He's just another dead drug addict" (Rush Limbaugh on Jerry Garcia, 8/11/95)
 
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05_never_again said:
I wouldn't say I listened a lot, but I definitely listened more than people on the left did. I probably listened the most in college, when I had a longer commute into campus. If you separate the opinion from the bombast, I basically agreed with almost everything he said with the exception of foreign policy (Rush was a huge Iraq War guy). I always kind of got the impression that the rare instance he had a liberal caller on was a stunt. The liberals he had on were never reasonable, articulate people, which was by design. They frequently sounded like wide-eyed, foaming at the mouth folks "triggered" by him and the usually just attacked him personally.

I had stopped listening to him by that point, but one thing he did that really grinded my gears was the Sandra Fluke thing. By calling her a slut, it allowed the left to dismiss any critique of Obamacare as sexism. Once he said that, it seemed like some folks who were on the fence or had no opinion about the ACA were pushed into supporting it because the didn't want to be seen as agreeing with the conservative talk show guy who called an ACA supporter a slut. A lot of apolitical people, or people not really knowledgeable about the law who didn't have an opinion, were really turned off by that.
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Understood. Don't agree with all of it, but understand your views.

Re ACA: I don't remember public support being the deciding factor at all. I remember the supreme court ruling in favor of the individual mandate which green lit it for passage. The D controlled other 2 branches passed it.
 
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McDad said:
Understood. Don't agree with all of it, but understand your views.

Re ACA: I don't remember public support being the deciding factor at all. I remember the supreme court ruling in favor of the individual mandate which green lit it for passage. The D controlled other 2 branches passed it.
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I didn't mean that public support was the deciding factor - I just mean that I remember Rush's "she's a slut" comments influencing people, especially people who didn't normally engage much with politics, to at least sympathize with the law. Yes, that is a silly reason to sympathize with a law, but you know how people are.

Rush saying that about Fluke was a great thing for Obama politically; it looked really bad to have a prominent conservative and Obama critic to say that. There are/were all sorts of reasons to oppose that law, but conversations about those got overshadowed for a while. Rush was not an intellectual or policy wonk - he was an entertainer.
 
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luthervol said:
Rush Limbaugh, radio king and architect of right wing, dies

When the actor Michael J. Fox, suffering from Parkinson’s disease, appeared in a commercial for a Democrat, Limbaugh mocked him and his tremors. When a Washington advocate for the homeless committed suicide, he cracked a string of jokes. As the AIDS epidemic raged in the 1980s, he made the dying a punchline.

"When you strip it all away, Jerry Garcia destroyed his life on drugs. And yet he's being honored, like some godlike figure. Our priorities are out of whack, folks. He's just another dead drug addict" (Rush Limbaugh on Jerry Garcia, 8/11/95)
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Was he wrong about what he said about Garcia?
 
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McDad said:
Partially the reason I "outgrew" his program. When he came on the scene, Ds held control of Congress for 4 decades. Rs in Congress were very weak. Whether Rush was a net positive for that party is debatable.
I know I would really like to see someone who is willing to fight for individual freedom and legit smaller government.
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The problem with Rush and anybody like him is he has to generally toe the partisan line or his audience is going to shrink*. So he preaches individual freedom and legit smaller government, but then his actions are let's just get the Republican elected at all cost and the party got a lot worse in terms of small government and probably a little worse in terms of freedom.

*My parents just informed me that they stopped watching Fox News. I had always hoped they would reach this point because it is too partisan, but turns out FN isn't partisan enough.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
Was he wrong about what he said about Garcia?
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Whatever your thoughts about Jerry Garcia and the Grateful Dead (I personally am not a fan), I think it is just factually incorrect say that Garcia was "just another dead drug addict." Not all drug addicts had the impact he did.
 
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05_never_again said:
Whatever your thoughts about Jerry Garcia and the Grateful Dead (I personally am not a fan), I think it is just factually incorrect say that Garcia was "just another dead drug addict." Not all drug addicts had the impact he did.
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What impact? He sang in a niche band with one hit...whoop de do...at least with Michael Jackson or Elvis or the Beatles you could make the case for having great societal impact.

Garcia was basically a mediocre singer whose music was only tolerable by people like Bill Walton who would listen while on LSD
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
Problem is that he was a hateful prick. Celebrated people getting aids and dying. Said gay marriage leads to beastiality. It wasn't the fact that he stood up to the left, it was the fact that he sometimes did so in a completely despicable manner.
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That is true, and I'm sure he said things directly about people sometimes, but by and large he attacked the principle and not the person. Or atleast tried to keep it that way.

Will everyone say the same of hateful libs when they die, or will you guys exalt them. That is truly the only beef conservatives have with the left. It's not that your ideals are looser. It's that you cancel us for not being you. Will you celebrate Soros or spit on him like you are Rush. That's what Rush attacked, and sometimes in the same manner in which the right gets attacked. He was hated mostly for calling out the hypocrisy for thirty years, whether he was tactful or not.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
What impact? He sang in a niche band with one hit...whoop de do...at least with Michael Jackson or Elvis or the Beatles you could make the case for having great societal impact.

Garcia was basically a mediocre singer whose music was only tolerable by people like Bill Walton who would listen while on LSD
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Jam bands aren't for everybody and you don't have to be high to like that music. Michael Jackson? Seriously?

Charities - Jerry Garcia
 
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luthervol said:
Rush Limbaugh, radio king and architect of right wing, dies

When the actor Michael J. Fox, suffering from Parkinson’s disease, appeared in a commercial for a Democrat, Limbaugh mocked him and his tremors. When a Washington advocate for the homeless committed suicide, he cracked a string of jokes. As the AIDS epidemic raged in the 1980s, he made the dying a punchline.

"When you strip it all away, Jerry Garcia destroyed his life on drugs. And yet he's being honored, like some godlike figure. Our priorities are out of whack, folks. He's just another dead drug addict" (Rush Limbaugh on Jerry Garcia, 8/11/95)
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not one single person on this board believes your feigned outrage. might as well save us all the keystrokes. LOL
 
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luthervol said:
Making war out of disagreement is indeed the problem and it is 100% the intended result of Rush-esque talk radio.
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Wrong. The right was silent far too long. The onslaught against conservatives began in the 80's with the whole PC thing that most conservatives and moderates ignored as a passing fad. The wars of disagreement stem form the fact that people are now saying enough, you can't have your way on everything, and y'all don't like that. It's the lib way or the highway. There's no room for acceptance from the party of tolerance. And Rush fought that. therefore, he is despicable.
 
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