Rush Limbaugh has passed

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n_huffhines said:
Jam bands aren't for everybody and you don't have to be high to like that music. Michael Jackson? Seriously?

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If you are talking about terms of popularity and societal impact, yes Michael Jackson had MUCH more than Jerry Garcia. No one could question this with a straight face.

Jackson probably had more people in one tour than Garcia played in front of his entire life. Worldwide popularity and impact vs. a California druggie niche band
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
What impact? He sang in a niche band with one hit...whoop de do...at least with Michael Jackson or Elvis or the Beatles you could make the case for having great societal impact.

Garcia was basically a mediocre singer whose music was only tolerable by people like Bill Walton who would listen while on LSD
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I take it you're not a fan...neither am I. He and the band have gigantic numbers of fans. I mean, even if you don't like their music it's just wrong to say he had no impact. He had no impact on you, which is fine, but just because he had no impact on you doesn't mean he had no impact, period.

I'm sure there are non-football fans who would say something like "So what, he was just an alcoholic football coach" when Johnny Majors died. Would you agree with that?
 
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05_never_again said:
I take it you're not a fan...neither am I. He and the band have gigantic numbers of fans. I mean, even if you don't like their music it's just wrong to say he had no impact. He had no impact on you, which is fine, but just because he had no impact on you doesn't mean he had no impact, period.

I'm sure there are non-football fans who would say something like "So what, he was just an alcoholic football coach" when Johnny Majors died. Would you agree with that?
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he was an alcoholic...but a great impact for UT and i get that...however comparing Garcia to some great societal impact is like me saying man Mike Leach died, he had such great lasting impact on the world of college football, when in reality no he didnt, he had a small group of fans subset, but honestly did nothing of note that 95% of college football society cared about
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
he was an alcoholic...but a great impact for UT and i get that...however comparing Garcia to some great societal impact is like me saying man Mike Leach died, he had such great lasting impact on the world of college football, when in reality no he didnt, he had a small group of fans subset, but honestly did nothing of note that 95% of college football society cared about
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The only people who give AF about Jerry Garcia are washed up, societally useless hippies.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
What impact? He sang in a niche band with one hit...whoop de do...at least with Michael Jackson or Elvis or the Beatles you could make the case for having great societal impact.

Garcia was basically a mediocre singer whose music was only tolerable by people like Bill Walton who would listen while on LSD
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Rickyvol77 said:
he was an alcoholic...but a great impact for UT and i get that...however comparing Garcia to some great societal impact is like me saying man Mike Leach died, he had such great lasting impact on the world of college football, when in reality no he didnt, he had a small group of fans subset, but honestly did nothing of note that 95% of college football society cared about
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Mike Leach has had a huge impact on how college football is played today. Absolutely terrible comparison.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
he was an alcoholic...but a great impact for UT and i get that...however comparing Garcia to some great societal impact is like me saying man Mike Leach died, he had such great lasting impact on the world of college football, when in reality no he didnt, he had a small group of fans subset, but honestly did nothing of note that 95% of college football society cared about
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You are conflating "I don't like Jerry Garcia" with "he had no impact." And I don't think Jerry Garcia was the Mike Leach of songwriting or guitar playing.

There are all sorts of things I might not have a personal taste for that have undoubtedly had an impact on the world.
 
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05_never_again said:
You are conflating "I don't like Jerry Garcia" with "he had no impact." And I don't think Jerry Garcia was the Mike Leach of songwriting or guitar playing.

There are all sorts of things I might not have a personal taste for that have undoubtedly had an impact on the world.
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so what worldwide impact did Garcia have?
 
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GVF said:
Wrong. The right was silent far too long. The onslaught against conservatives began in the 80's with the whole PC thing that most conservatives and moderates ignored as a passing fad. The wars of disagreement stem form the fact that people are now saying enough, you can't have your way on everything, and y'all don't like that. It's the lib way or the highway. There's no room for acceptance from the party of tolerance. And Rush fought that. therefore, he is despicable.
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We can just agree to disagree, no need to start a war over it.
 
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n_huffhines said:
The problem with Rush and anybody like him is he has to generally toe the partisan line or his audience is going to shrink*. So he preaches individual freedom and legit smaller government, but then his actions are let's just get the Republican elected at all cost and the party got a lot worse in terms of small government and probably a little worse in terms of freedom.

*My parents just informed me that they just watching Fox News. I had always hoped they would reach this point because it is too partisan, but turns out FN isn't partisan enough.
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There was a moment, possibly after a midterm election, where Rush spent a lot of time complaining about carrying water for the Rs. I think that was the moment where I started to outgrow him. I remember thinking to myself, "why is he carrying water for anyone when the principles of small government conservatism should be the goal".
 
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luthervol said:
Rush Limbaugh, radio king and architect of right wing, dies

When the actor Michael J. Fox, suffering from Parkinson’s disease, appeared in a commercial for a Democrat, Limbaugh mocked him and his tremors. When a Washington advocate for the homeless committed suicide, he cracked a string of jokes. As the AIDS epidemic raged in the 1980s, he made the dying a punchline.

"When you strip it all away, Jerry Garcia destroyed his life on drugs. And yet he's being honored, like some godlike figure. Our priorities are out of whack, folks. He's just another dead drug addict" (Rush Limbaugh on Jerry Garcia, 8/11/95)
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Noted. Props for providing some real info on that. (I only asked because it's been many years since I actually listened to him). I'm a Christian conservative/moderate more so so than a political mainstay. I know we take jabs in jest a lot, but I do not know you other than our geographic upbringings are in close proximity. I would not berate you "on purpose" out of spite. Rush also was no angel, and had faults. But, his body of work in it's entirety was to provide balance to the onslaught against the right. I'm actually capable of thoughts and beliefs outside of the talking heads on both sides of the playground. My values were introduced to me by a father whose reputation professionally and personally, and spiritually spanned the globe, and not just our household. Unfortunately, that's hard to live up to.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
no he didnt Evillawyer fake name. Quit switching back and forth, the jig is up....Leach is a loser and always will be
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Loser really? I mean I realize he's no Nick Saban, but he's literally taken programs that have zero talent and made them top 10 teams on a yearly basis.

This isn't even debatable.
 
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luthervol said:
We can just agree to disagree, no need to start a war over it.
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You and I have been able to. And maybe a few others. But, you are one of the very few cra-cra's on your side of the fence in these threads that can actually do that. And maybe BowlBro.
 
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Tyler Durden said:
Loser really? I mean I realize he's no Nick Saban, but he's literally taken programs that have zero talent and made them top 10 teams on a yearly basis.

This isn't even debatable.
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in 20 years of P5 coaching he had two teams ranked in the top 10, the rest were teams that had 4-9 losses. You don't even have a clue what you are speaking of Evillawyerfakename
 
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Yes RL was crass and over the top at times with personal attacks. The core of his impact was to provide different perspectives on multi-faceted issues from what the main party line was.

Seems most of the haters focus on the first part in their critique while ignoring the second part which was really the source of his popularity.

I listened some in the 90s but was pretty ambivalent sense then. He has his sins and his positive contribution.

What I see in the negative reaction that is most troubling is intolerance for someone having a different take on things. The negative reaction is almost exclusively from people with different policy views than those promoted by RL but it gets labeled as "hate speech" - it comes across as a hostility to different views.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
so what worldwide impact did Garcia have?
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I mean, he had a pretty big impact on the world of music generally. Particularly the jam band and the blues/jazz/bluegrass fusion genre that remains popular today. He's in the HoF and on the "greatest guitarists" lists. Definitely influenced a bunch of musicians who came after him. Had (and still has) a large and incredibly loyal fanbase.

Dude - nobody is saying you have to like him. I don't like his music and am not a fan of his lifestyle either. But it's just wrong to say he had "no impact." Just because you didn't like him doesn't mean he wasn't relevant.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
What impact? He sang in a niche band with one hit...whoop de do...at least with Michael Jackson or Elvis or the Beatles you could make the case for having great societal impact.

Garcia was basically a mediocre singer whose music was only tolerable by people like Bill Walton who would listen while on LSD
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Niche? They had the 3rd and 5th top grossing tours of all time. They’re about as niche as Apple.
 
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