Russia Already Interfering With 2020 Election: Seeks to Re-Elect Trump

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lukeneyland said:
It couldn't have anything to do with the fact that he's running against people who are remarkably corrupt ( all politicians are varrying degrees of corrupt ). Or the fact that all of they're ideologies range from Vaguely Marxist at best, to full blown Stalinist at worst. It couldn't be because they pander incessantly ( sure Trump plays Identity politics as well but not to their extent ). It couldn't be because they all will look to increase the Governments encroachment on the sovereignty of each citizen. It couldn't be because the general policy of the American left to tax businesses has caused the migration of American blue collar jobs to other countries. It couldn't be because the opposition is intellectually dishonest. No just blame the Russians. Some people are so blinded by their hatred of Trump that they've lost their hold on reality and what is good governance. I don't think it's unreasonable to criticize Trump on some matters. But if your solution is to elect one of these current Democratic contenders, then I genuinely don't understand you.
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And many genuinely don't understand how one could support Trump.
 
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luthervol said:
Who they interfere to help tells me lots.
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Probably not as much as you think. Nobody (Putin included) wanted to listen to Hiliary screech; nobody wants to listen to Bernie or Chief Liz for the same reason. I seriously doubt Pete is Putin's cup of tea. And Joe ... well, there's something about conversations being more satisfying if the other party can rub enough brain cells together to keep the conversation going. Sad that Putin's more discriminating about our politicians than dims are.
 
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AM64 said:
Yep, I'm very impressed by her as a person, but not so much by her politics. To me her stock really went up when she basically abstained from the impeachment vote - ironically the only dim congressional candidate not to abuse her power by voting against a political rival.
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I see her similarly. A rare politician with principle.
 
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lukeneyland said:
It couldn't have anything to do with the fact that he's running against people who are remarkably corrupt ( all politicians are varrying degrees of corrupt ). Or the fact that all of they're ideologies range from Vaguely Marxist at best, to full blown Stalinist at worst. It couldn't be because they pander incessantly ( sure Trump plays Identity politics as well but not to their extent ). It couldn't be because they all will look to increase the Governments encroachment on the sovereignty of each citizen. It couldn't be because the general policy of the American left to tax businesses has caused the migration of American blue collar jobs to other countries. It couldn't be because the opposition is intellectually dishonest. No just blame the Russians. Some people are so blinded by their hatred of Trump that they've lost their hold on reality and what is good governance. I don't think it's unreasonable to criticize Trump on some matters. But if your solution is to elect one of these current Democratic contenders, then I genuinely don't understand you.
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OMG. Nobody is more corrupt than Trump (he paid hush money to a porn star just before the 2016 election for crying out loud). Nobody panders harder to their base than Trump. He was touting prayer in public schools to evangelicals not long ago (there was a thread on it here). Nobody is more dishonest than Trump... whether you want to call it being "intellectually dishonest" or otherwise. You are so blinded by your own unconditional defense of Trump that you have created your own reality, where his flaws don't exist. You are categorically delusional... and we don't understand you, either.
 
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AM64 said:
Probably not as much as you think. Nobody (Putin included) wanted to listen to Hiliary screech; nobody wants to listen to Bernie or Chief Liz for the same reason. I seriously doubt Pete is Putin's cup of tea. And Joe ... well, there's something about conversations being more satisfying if the other party can rub enough brain cells together to keep the conversation going. Sad that Putin's more discriminating about our politicians than dims are.
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I must admit, that is a very unique take.
 
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luthervol said:
He honeymooned there in 1988, 32 years ago.
You are going to compare that to Trump's Russian connections and fascination?
You're going to compare how Sander's talked about Noriega and Castro 35 years ago with how Trump talk's about Putin and Un?

Go for it.
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The difference is trump isn’t praising their political systems the way Bernie has every horrible communist/socialist regime in history. He’s praised Cuba, USSR, Venezuela, even China. He praised a country that harvests the organs of minority prisoners for “eliminating poverty”.

In his defense, that is how the Bolshevik’s “eliminate” poverty.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
OMG. Nobody is more corrupt than Trump (he paid hush money to a porn star just before the 2016 election for crying out loud). Nobody panders harder to their base than Trump. He was touting prayer in public schools to evangelicals not long ago (there was a thread on it here). Nobody is more dishonest than Trump... whether you want to call it being "intellectually dishonest" or otherwise. You are so blinded by your own unconditional defense of Trump that you have created your own reality, where his flaws don't exist. You are categorically delusional... and we don't understand you, either.
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Paying a women to not go to the press isn’t the kind of corruption anyone cares about. I care more about people like Bernie who’s wife has never held a job that wasn’t a political favor and who blatantly stole money from a university that she eventually bankrupted.
 
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luthervol said:
He honeymooned there in 1988, 32 years ago.
You are going to compare that to Trump's Russian connections and fascination?
You're going to compare how Sander's talked about Noriega and Castro 35 years ago with how Trump talk's about Putin and Un?

Go for it.
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Yes I am going to say anyone who walked into Cuba and said wow free healthcare, housing, and education this place is great. You know while ignoring the extreme poverty, lack of government transparency, and political opposition arrests. Yes I am going to look at someone who justifies the oppression of free press as “necessary” like he did when discussing Nicaragua. And yes I am going to question someone who holds the subway system of Russia in high regard while ignoring who l built it and how it was built. Trump should not be choosing Russia over our intel community. He should have absolutely condemned Putin and Russia for their interference. But when you compare the two which is worse?
 
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volfanhill said:
Yes I am going to say anyone who walked into Cuba and said wow free healthcare, housing, and education this place is great. You know while ignoring the extreme poverty, lack of government transparency, and political opposition arrests. Yes I am going to look at someone who justifies the oppression of free press as “necessary” like he did when discussing Nicaragua. And yes I am going to question someone who holds the subway system of Russia in high regard while ignoring who l built it and how it was built. Trump should not be choosing Russia over our intel community. He should have absolutely condemned Putin and Russia for their interference. But when you compare the two which is worse?
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Odd that a lifelong politician with zero accomplishments and never had a real job would love socialism/communism.
 
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Vol8188 said:
The difference is trump isn’t praising their political systems the way Bernie has every horrible communist/socialist regime in history. He’s praised Cuba, USSR, Venezuela, even China. He praised a country that harvests the organs of minority prisoners for “eliminating poverty”.

In his defense, that is how the Bolshevik’s “eliminate” poverty.
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Trump just loves the leaders who do those things. He has a strange fascination with absolute dictatorial power.
It's almost like that is what he is after.
 
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Vol8188 said:
Yes. Trump says nice things about people who are nice to him. The difference is Bernie praises their system.
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Chairman Kim, as some people say, is looking to create a nation that has great strength economically.
 
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Vol8188 said:
Paying a women to not go to the press isn’t the kind of corruption anyone cares about. I care more about people like Bernie who’s wife has never held a job that wasn’t a political favor and who blatantly stole money from a university that she eventually bankrupted.
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I don't think this is true and obviously, the Trump campaign doesn't either or else they wouldn't have required Stormy Daniels to sign a nondisclosure agreement. Your last line is classic cognitive dissonance. Trump University anyone? It was a total sham.
 
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volfanhill said:
Yes I am going to say anyone who walked into Cuba and said wow free healthcare, housing, and education this place is great. You know while ignoring the extreme poverty, lack of government transparency, and political opposition arrests. Yes I am going to look at someone who justifies the oppression of free press as “necessary” like he did when discussing Nicaragua. And yes I am going to question someone who holds the subway system of Russia in high regard while ignoring who l built it and how it was built. Trump should not be choosing Russia over our intel community. He should have absolutely condemned Putin and Russia for their interference. But when you compare the two which is worse?
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Trump is worse.
And it's funny you mention lack of government transparency and oppression of the free press. Two Trump cornerstones.
 
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luthervol said:
And many genuinely don't understand how one could support Trump.
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Many reasons. Mainly it's down to my choice to separate the personal life of the man from the Presidential policies of the man. Also has to do with the lack of a viable alternative. I think our two party system has sort of doomed us to these types of situations.
 
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