Russia bounty on US troops

[RDU VOL#14]

Let's try to keep some perspective here. Clinton got blown. Trump let our soldiers get blown away.

There is a flip side to that argument if you want to talk about people being blown up. There were plenty of opportunities to keep hundreds of thousands of people from being killed if someone hadn’t thought firing a few dozen Cruise missiles into some camps was a better alternative than pissing off a Saudi Prince or two.

 

[NCFisher]

He has at least as much credibility as the President

This is not a response to my reply.

 

[USAFgolferVol]

You're being overdramatic about who was harmed by Trump's actions. Whether or not he broke the law is a large grey area. Did Biden break the law when he used his position as VP to have the Ukrainian prosecutor removed? It's not as clear cut as some would like to believe.

In Clinton's case, it's clear he broke the law. He admits to breaking the law. Should he, as POTUS, be above the laws that apply to the rest of us common folk. If you think he should, then I certainly understand why you're so dismissive of his impeachment. But if you don't think that, then I'm left to believe the defense is entirely political.

So did General Michael Flynn

 

[USAFgolferVol]

This is not a response to my reply.

It was in response to that post where someone claimed that Bolton had no credibility.

As intelligent and informed as you are, I would hope you still agree

 

[NCFisher]

Let's try to keep some perspective here. Clinton got blown. Trump let our soldiers get blown away.

I fail to see how false perspective advances your position. Clinton was not impeached for being "blown". He lied under oath about being blown, and he obstructed justice - the attempt to obscure inquiry into a crime - by attempting to have people lie, and hiding and destroying evidence. You can argue the inquiry shouldn't have gone in the "blown" direction, but not that he didn't perjure and obstruct justice.

Perspective fail #2: this is an intel rumor until corroborated. Well, why wait for verification you might say: it is Russia after all - ? Because economic war often leads to hot war. You don't wage either without firm conviction you have actionable intel. So, in fact, there is *no* evidence "Trump let out soldiers get blown away.", high-school double entendres aside.

 

[FLVOL_79]

Let's try to keep some perspective here. Clinton got blown. Trump let our soldiers get blown away.

I remember when Clinton let muzzies try and blow up the WTC and 6 Americans were killed. Clinton did nothing.

Muslims blew up Kobar towers and killed 20 people. Clinton did nothing.

12 Americans (and like 400 other people) killed in multiple bombings in Africa. Clinton finally did something..launched a few cruise missiles. He blew up a civilian pharmaceutical company working with the UN to make medicine and damaged, not destroyed, a few camps in Afghanistan that may have killed up to 25 people, civilians and terrorists..

 

[NCFisher]

So did General Michael Flynn

No; Flynn has stated he was pressured into stating he lied to protect his son, at a point in which he had been driven to practical bankruptcy fighting a case that never had merit.

That's quite a difference.

 

[USAFgolferVol]

No; Flynn has stated he was pressured into stating he lied to protect his son, at a point in which he had been driven to practical bankruptcy fighting a case that never had merit.

That's quite a difference.

I was talking about my point concerning Trump's credibility, or lack thereof, to Bolton's

Gen Flynn is a smart and informed man. He plead guilty because he was guilty

 

[NCFisher]

It was in response to that post where someone claimed that Bolton had no credibility.

As intelligent and informed as you are, I would hope you still agree

"Still agree" implies I agreed with something; what was it?

If Bolton ever was a selfless patriot, he has turned his back on that period. It appears Bolton began to amass his own dossier from day one for either coup, financial gain, or both. He's treacherous. This isn't Bolton misstating facts or speaking from ignorance, but weaving his own, whole cloth version of the facts.

I've not idea what is factual in his book or not. Obviously, treachery and honesty rarely copulate.

 

[USAFgolferVol]

"Still agree" implies I agreed with something; what was it?

If Bolton ever was a selfless patriot, he has turned his back on that period. It appears Bolton began to amass his own dossier from day one for either coup, financial gain, or both. He's treacherous. This isn't Bolton misstating facts or speaking from ignorance, but weaving his own, whole cloth version of the facts.

I've not idea what is factual in his book or not. Obviously, treachery and honesty rarely copulate.

My point about him was that he is at least as credible as our President. Probably more

 

[NCFisher]

I was talking about my point concerning Trump's credibility, or lack thereof, to Bolton's

Gen Flynn is a smart and informed man. He plead guilty because he was guilty

Apparently not, else we'd not have an avalanche of exculpatory evidence being released after years of withholding it from defense counsel. Pence and Pompeo have both stated examination of this evidence have convinced them Flynn did not lie. DOJ isn't dismissing the case because he was guilty of perjury. The FBI's own investigation stated Flynn did not lie. His communication with Kislyak were not inappropriate. They were closing the case first week of 2017 until Comey, Obama, Biden, Strzok, Yates met in the WH. After that, they sought to entrap Flynn; agents reported they did not think he lied.

Does it bother you that the WH was involved in investigations of political opponents?

 

[NCFisher]

My point about him was that he is at least as credible as our President. Probably more

Based upon? Besides your bias informing your assumption, that is.

 

[USAFgolferVol]

Apparently not, else we'd not have an avalanche of exculpatory evidence being released after years of withholding it from defense counsel. Pence and Pompeo have both stated examination of this evidence have convinced them Flynn did not lie. DOJ isn't dismissing the case because he was guilty of perjury. The FBI's own investigation stated Flynn did not lie. His communication with Kislyak were not inappropriate. They were closing the case first week of 2017 until Comey, Obama, Biden, Strzok, Yates met in the WH. After that, they sought to entrap Flynn; agents reported they did not think he lied.

Does it bother you that the WH was involved in investigations of political opponents?

You're using Pence and Pompeo as sources? LMFAO

Yes ,it bothers me. As far as the record goes, virtually every President since I've been alive has done it and I've been alive since 1963

 

[USAFgolferVol]

Based upon? Besides your bias informing your assumption, that is.

There is some heavy irony your statement considering YOUR posts

 

[NCFisher]

You're using Pence and Pompeo as sources? LMFAO

Yes ,it bothers me. As far as the record goes, virtually every President since I've been alive has done it and I've been alive since 1963

You misunderstand; Pence fired Flynn for allegedly lying about the contacts with Kislyak and now states the evidence doesn't support that. I'm not using Pence as "a source" but am simply piling on. Acting AG Rosenstein has testified the investigation was baseless.

Well, no; I don't think there is another instance of a sitting president, intel, DOJ, and FBI colluding to prevent the election of a candidate, then subvert his tenure once elected. Using Russian propaganda even as they accuse him of being that nation's asset. It's pretty fooking unprecedented.

I dispute your assertion that Flynn pled guilty because he was guilty; what is the evidence? I've posted mine.

There is some heavy irony your statement considering YOUR posts

You may challenge any of my posts at the time they are posted, not in some nebulous aggregate in which you don't have to compare facts.

 

[Purple Tiger]

I remember when Clinton let muzzies try and blow up the WTC and 6 Americans were killed. Clinton did nothing.

Muslims blew up Kobar towers and killed 20 people. Clinton did nothing.

12 Americans (and like 400 other people) killed in multiple bombings in Africa. Clinton finally did something..launched a few cruise missiles. He blew up a civilian pharmaceutical company working with the UN to make medicine and damaged, not destroyed, a few camps in Afghanistan that may have killed up to 25 people, civilians and terrorists..

Six people were convicted for the WTC Bombing by Clinton's DOJ. What else should he had done? The Khobar Tower bombing happened in Saudi Arabia. Should Clinton have retaliated for a domestic terror bombing outside of the US? Did Bush retaliate for Spain's terror bombing by Muslim terrorists?

 

[FLVOL_79]

um...

Six people were convicted for the WTC Bombing by Clinton's DOJ. What else should he had done?

They were Al Qaeda. Maybe stop Al Qaeda? But no, if we ignore them they will go away...until 9/11 2001.

The Khobar Tower bombing happened in Saudi Arabia. Should Clinton have retaliated for a domestic terror bombing outside of the US?

Al Qaeda..again..attacked and killed members of the US military. Isn't that why you are upset with Trump because some one said Russia might have done something that might have killed American soldiers??

Did Bush retaliate for Spain's terror bombing by Muslim terrorists?

What? Why would Bush retaliate for the train bombings? How many Americans were killed? (hint: 0).

 

[Weezer]

Let's try to keep some perspective here. Clinton got blown. Trump let our soldiers get blown away.

Moronic statement. Did Obama also let our soldiers get blown away? Bush? Any POTUS that has sent troops into battle would be equal to that claim. You're not that stupid, but you're letting your politics lead you to say stupid things.

And once again, Clinton's crime was not his relationship with Monica(though such a relationship with a subordinate in the military would have had him in serious hot water), it was lying under oath, and directing her to lie as well. If he had told the truth, there never would have been a case for impeachment. The argument "perjury is rarely prosecuted" rests on how hard it is to prove, but in this case, it was not hard to prove.

 

[Weezer]

So did General Michael Flynn

Clinton was not under duress. Flynn may truly be guilty, I have no idea, but he also has a strong case that he was under duress to confess to a crime because his son was being threatened.

 

[Weezer]

Whether or not the intel on Russian bounties is true, does that remove our soldiers from an area of active conflict? Lives are in danger there regardless of whether or not Russia is offering bounties. It's not like the Taliban actually needs added incentive to take out American troops. The only true mistake Trump has made in regards to this is to not have brought our troops home, same as Obama. Soldiers in what amounts to an active war zone are always in danger.

 

[Septic]

So why would he deny it on CNN. Oh right. “Anonymous sources”

Assuming for a second he wasn't briefed....

Trump's known for what, ten days now?

Still hasn't addressed the country or the troops. NOT A WORD.

He's afraid of Putin, just like we all suspected. Talks tough on Twitter but the soldiers, sailors, marines and air-matresses all see him for what he is.

All hat, no cattle.

 

[Orange_Crush]

Assuming for a second he wasn't briefed....

Trump's known for what, ten days now?

Still hasn't addressed the country or the troops. NOT A WORD.

He's afraid of Putin, just like we all suspected. Talks tough on Twitter but the soldiers, sailors, marines and air-matresses all see him for what he is.

All hat, no cattle.

Is it still classified as unverified intel?

 

[VFFL@THE BEACH]

You're being overdramatic about who was harmed by Trump's actions. Whether or not he broke the law is a large grey area. Did Biden break the law when he used his position as VP to have the Ukrainian prosecutor removed? It's not as clear cut as some would like to believe.

In Clinton's case, it's clear he broke the law. He admits to breaking the law. Should he, as POTUS, be above the laws that apply to the rest of us common folk. If you think he should, then I certainly understand why you're so dismissive of his impeachment. But if you don't think that, then I'm left to believe the defense is entirely political.

I don't think Presidents are above the law. Not many if any of us unwashed masses has any legal consequences for lying about an affair. Yes, clinton committed a crime by lying about an affair.

So Ceasar Becceria was a classical criminologist and one of his theories on punishment was basically the severity of punishment should correlate to the impact it had on society.

I am not dismissive of Clinton's impeachment but I think its impact on society is far less the drumpfs.

Violating checks and balances is huge concern that will come back to haunt our country. Much like executive orders have circumnavigated the legislative process and turned the Presidnet into a king. Unless drumpf loses the election then he is on track to have more than Obama. This during a term that he controlled both houses for 2 years. Advising people not abide by subpoena's is dumb and show how small his stones reall are not to mention scared.

As for Biden, sure if there was evidence then should go after him. I don't like the deflection from the fact our President had openly bribed a foriegn leader with our money and requested help to win an election from foreign countries. This is typical stuff that I hear from trumpeters at work"well look what that guy did" doesn't matter.

 

[Weezer]

I don't think Presidents are above the law. Not many if any of us unwashed masses has any legal consequences for lying about an affair. Yes, clinton committed a crime by lying about an affair.

So Ceasar Becceria was a classical criminologist and one of his theories on punishment was basically the severity of punishment should correlate to the impact it had on society.

I am not dismissive of Clinton's impeachment but I thinks impact of society is far less the drumpfs.

Violating checks and balances is huge concern that will come back to haunt our country. Much like executive orders have circumnavigated the legislative process and turned the Presidnet into a king. Unless drumpf loses the election then he is on track to have more than Obama. This during a term that he controlled both houses for 2 years.

Lying under oath, about a sexual affair, while being deposed for a case against him on sexual harassment. People keep wanting to minimize what he did to make it seem more political. And any of us "unwashed masses" caught lying under oath during similar circumstances would be charged with perjury. You would agree that for a man being sued for sexual harassment his infidelity would be relevant, correct?

 

[KB5252]

You fools will twist yourselves in knots to apologize for and explain Trump's blunders and failings. It would be entertaining if it wasn't so sad.

I agree, but it's no more sad than the fools on the other side twisting themselves into knots making up and manufacturing blunders. It's equally entertaining and sad.