Russia bounty on US troops

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Orangeburst said:
Curious. Which do you consider more a strategic threat to the US? China or Russia?
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China, because they are an economic power with incredible potential. Russia is not an economic power. Their currency is practically worthless. However, I would consider Putin to be our single most strident and determined enemy. He does have the military might to pose problems... and Trump has only served to embolden him.
 
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I wouldn't put anything past a Russian government. But it seems almost too unbelievably short sighted on their part. What do they really have to gain by ordering such a thing? It doesn't seem like a good risk reward ratio. I could be convinced with more evidence but it seems a little out there to me
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
I still luv ya, buddy! Haven't seen you in a while... hope everything is good!
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Likewise friend I was bout to get worried for ya there. Yea working like a mule....half mil in sales this month, fortifying the ramparts agin crazy liberals, doing some major upgrades to the sled, and sleeping. Hope your July been good.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
China, because they are an economic power with incredible potential. Russia is not an economic power. Their currency is practically worthless. However, I would consider Putin to be our single most strident and determined enemy. He does have the military might to pose problems... and Trump has only served to embolden him.
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Putin is not more determined than China with all their economic and military espionage.

Trump does seem to favor the carrot over the stick with the Putins and Kim's of the world. Part off his strategy I guess, but certainly has no issues playing ball with big boy China and Xi.

Russia is a nothing really...basically a Brazil albeit with nukes. Germany and the western Europe nations seem to have much better relations and economic partnership, at least energy wise, with Russia than we do.

I just do not get the Russian obsession. China should be our focus and it is with Trump.
 
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Orangeburst said:
Putin is not more determined than China with all their economic and military espionage.

Trump does seem to favor the carrot over the stick with the Putins and Kim's of the world. Part off his strategy I guess, but certainly has no issues playing ball with big boy China and Xi.

Russia is a nothing really...basically a Brazil albeit with nukes. Germany and the western Europe nations seem to have much better relations and economic partnership, at least energy wise, with Russia than we do.

I just do not get the Russian obsession. China should be our focus and it is with Trump.
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The Chinese are the evil that people think that the Russians are
 
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lukeneyland said:
I wouldn't put anything past a Russian government. But it seems almost too unbelievably short sighted on their part. What do they really have to gain by ordering such a thing? It doesn't seem like a good risk reward ratio. I could be convinced with more evidence but it seems a little out there to me
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There was financial data uncovered which was in support of the belief that Russia paid bounties to the Taliban to kill American soldiers. Per The New York Times, Trump did not even ask Putin about this and there isn't currently an investigation into these allegations. The biggest problem that I have with this, is that Trump doesn't even want it investigated. He doesn't want to know if it's true or not... because he doesn't care. That really is the most troubling aspect of this. Why doesn't Trump care? Why does Trump bristle at any reports having anything at all to do with Russian aggression? It is strange.
 
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Why are the Trumpies so sensitive on this one. I'm guessing because it would prove he is irredeemable, and they're still being eased into that reality.
 
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lukeneyland said:
The Chinese are the evil that people think that the Russians are
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Vladimir Putin is as evil as anyone. He has proven himself to be an enemy of the United States. He is an old school KGB official and he brings a Cold War mentality to his diplomatic approach. His economy isn't self-sustaining and his country has little capacity for growth. Russia isn't the threat China is but that is not because of a lack of desire on Putin's part. Putin will cause as much trouble as he is allowed to get away with.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Vladimir Putin is as evil as anyone. He has proven himself to be an enemy of the United States. He is an old school KGB official and he brings a Cold War mentality to his diplomatic approach. His economy isn't self-sustaining and his country has little capacity for growth. Russia isn't the threat China is but that is not because of a lack of desire on Putin's part. Putin will cause as much trouble as he is allowed to get away with.
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Just years ago your SoS Clinton gave them the reset button.
 
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Stew Cook said:
Why are the Trumpies so sensitive on this one. I'm guessing because it would prove he is irredeemable, and they're still being eased into that reality.
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It is the most bizarre aspect of the Trump Administration. Trump has turned an entire American party into a vehicle for Russian propaganda. The Republican Party is effectively serving as an apologist force for Vladimir Putin. It's all because of Trump, but nobody stops to ask why Trump becomes so defensive when Russia is mentioned. Why is Trump so apprehensive about Russia being investigated? There isn't a good explanation for this.
 
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Orangeburst said:
Just years ago your SoS Clinton gave them the reset button.
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Yes... and Obama didn't take Russia as seriously as he should have. He didn't respond to the hacking of the DNC. There have been many missteps and it's not all Trump's fault. But right now? Trump is the President of the United States and he has been a Russian apologist. He has sided with Putin at every turn. He simply doesn't want an investigation undertaken into Russian misconduct. He doesn't even want to know that Russian misconduct has taken place. It makes no sense.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
It is the most bizarre aspect of the Trump Administration. Trump has turned an entire American party into a vehicle for Russian propaganda. The Republican Party is effectively serving as an apologist force for Vladimir Putin. It's all because of Trump, but nobody stops to ask why Trump becomes so defensive when Russia is mentioned. Why is Trump so apprehensive about Russia being investigated? There isn't a good explanation for this.
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Partly due to the fact that they are continually duped by their social media disinformation.

Some are so wrapped up in that infinite loop of propaganda, that they can't fathom how deep in it they are.
 
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Stew Cook said:
Partly due to the fact that they are continually duped by their social media disinformation.

Some are so wrapped up in that infinite loop of propaganda, that they can't fathom how deep in it they are.
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Before typing such nonsense, remember "Russian Collusion". Talk about bamboozled for the history books.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Yes... and Obama didn't take Russia as seriously as he should have. He didn't respond to the hacking of the DNC. There have been many missteps and it's not all Trump's fault. But right now? Trump is the President of the United States and he has been a Russian apologist. He has sided with Putin at every turn. He simply doesn't want an investigation undertaken into Russian misconduct. He doesn't even want to know that Russian misconduct has taken place. It makes no sense.
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I think you guys underestimate the nuance of diplomacy, especially with a nuclear power. Trump has placed sanctions on Russian energy sectors, banks and individuals that hardly benefit Putin.
 
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Orangeburst said:
I think you guys underestimate the nuance of diplomacy, especially with a nuclear power. Trump has placed sanctions on Russian energy sectors, banks and individuals that hardly benefit Putin.
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Trump didn't do anything. The sanctions placed on Russia during the Trump presidency (August of 2017), were the result of bipartisan legislation which Trump had to sign, because there was a veto-proof majority for the bill in Congress. To the contrary, Trump lobbied against this bill and even denounced it. The actual sanctions weren't imposed for several months after deadlines had passed for their implementation.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Trump didn't do anything. The sanctions placed on Russia during the Trump presidency (August of 2017), were the result of bipartisan legislation which Trump had to sign, because there was a veto-proof majority for the bill in Congress. To the contrary, Trump lobbied against this bill and even denounced it. The actual sanctions weren't imposed for several months after deadlines had passed for their implementation.
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My mistake. They are currently threatening sanctions this month. We will see.

U.S. threatens sanctions on Nord Stream 2 as Russia moves to complete pipeline
 
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Orangeburst said:
Before typing such nonsense, remember "Russian Collusion". Talk about bamboozled for the history books.
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What do you think Roger Stone was doing with Wikileaks and Paul Manafort was doing sending GOP internal polling data to his Kremlin surrogate in the Ukraine?

And you say I've been duped?

But hey, if you don't get caught up with random people on social media who are overly friended by others trying very hard to look like a "patriot", then my statement may not apply to you.
 
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Stew Cook said:
What do you think Roger Stone was doing with Wikileaks and Paul Manafort was doing sending GOP internal polling data to his Kremlin surrogate in the Ukraine?

And you say I've been duped?

But hey, if you don't get caught up with random people on social media who are overly friended by others trying very hard to look like a "patriot", then my statement may not apply to you.
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We went 3 years thru this and you got nothin on Trump, but hey you keep believing it.
 
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Orangeburst said:
We went 3 years thru this and you got nothin on Trump, but hey you keep believing it.
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Ok man. His guys weren't up to nothin.. And if they we're, he didn't know anything about it.

Roger got a commutation because the deep state framed him etc...
 
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Orangeburst said:
We went 3 years thru this and you got nothin on Trump, but hey you keep believing it.
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We got a June 9, 2016 meeting at Trump Tower, which both Trump and Trump Jr. told lies about, regarding who was in attendance at the meeting, and what had been discussed. To be clear, and to reiterate what Robert Mueller himself just said recently... the Mueller report did not exonerate Trump.
 
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