Russia bounty on US troops

[luthervol]

I agree that the right defends Trump's incessant, inane twittering, and his false bravado, but the left did the exact same with Obama, and especially Hillary. I don't hide my disdain for Hillary in particular, but there are still leftists who defend her outrageous behavior, even though she's no longer in the spotlight. Neither side is able to admit simple truths about their candidates/representatives/however you want to refer to them. It's insane to me that people willingly allow politics to blind them in such a fashion.

For the simple sake of consistency and predictability.............

I have maintained from day one of this catastrophe that Trump is a new low and one that should never be normalized.
Every politician, republican or democrat, lies somewhere on the good/bad continuum, and from my admittedly biased perspective, dems. tend to fall in a little more favorable position on that continuum.
What can never be true is that they are all equally bad or good.
The stance that Trump is awful, BUT he is no worse than............(fill in the blank) is what is insane to me.
Talk about lowering the bar.

The simple truth..............Trump is the worst and should never be normalized.

 

[0nelilreb]

I think those days are long gone and probably never coming back. The hyper-partisanship is completely out of control.

It will eventually come back but it will take a true threat that is felt by everyone for it to happen , not some first world problem but a threat to our lives and existence as a country .

 

[Doberman]

Fine, but with THIS President it has sure seemed a lot more disorganized than most. I don't see how anyone could think otherwise, even his supporters.

Well it’s easy to seem organized when you do two pressers a year like the Savior Obama.

What you are seeing is unfettered accessibility like we’ve never seen from a President before.

This is one area where I think Trump isn’t calculated enough. And leads to warranted criticisms such as yours.

 

[Weezer]

For the simple sake of consistency and predictability.............

I have maintained from day one of this catastrophe that Trump is a new low and one that should never be normalized.
Every politician, republican or democrat, lies somewhere on the good/bad continuum, and from my admittedly biased perspective, dems. tend to fall in a little more favorable position on that continuum.
What can never be true is that they are all equally bad or good.
The stance that Trump is awful, BUT he is no worse than............(fill in the blank) is what is insane to me.
Talk about lowering the bar.

The simple truth..............Trump is the worst and should never be normalized.

Thanks for making my point. Defend your side at all costs. Neither side wants to admit their failures. Shift the blame with degrees and continuums.

 

[37L1]

Thanks for making my point. Defend your side at all costs. Neither side wants to admit their failures. Shift the blame with degrees and continuums.

And fictional percentages.

 

[luthervol]

You're probably right, which is why I find this all so infuriating and depressing. Compromise is the only thing that will actually help this nation, but no one wants to compromise. They all just want their way.

Trump was elected specifically because he is not willing to compromise.
Because he is a divider and not a uniter.
How many people have you seen in the PF state that Trump won because they didn't want another weak republican who would do what the left wanted (compromise).
Trump was the signal from the right of "no more compromise because we are sick of what compromise brings".
Luckily, it's the last gasps of a drowning man.

 

[BowlBrother85]

Trump will ask Putin, Putin will deny it, Trump will take his word for it.
Trump supporters, because they're so stupid, will still stand behind Trump even as he turns a blind eye to Americans getting killed by Russian backed Taliban attacks.

The end.

/thread

Trump will also insist that it could have been another country out there, who paid bounties to the Taliban. There are a lot of countries out there, ya' know? Trump might even point to past mistakes by U.S. intelligence officials as a reason to not trust this. Trump will do whatever he can to defend Vladimir Putin and to cast doubt on the conclusion of his own intelligence community and at all cost, avoid having to take any punitive action against his friend. Even in light of this, Trump will continue to aggressively lobby for Russia to be admitted back in to the G 7.

 

[luthervol]

Thanks for making my point. Defend your side at all costs. Neither side wants to admit their failures. Shift the blame with degrees and continuums.

So you continue to maintain that they are all equally bad?

Which would obviously mean it makes absolutely no difference who is supported and elected.

 

[UT_Dutchman]

I take that back. I dont know you and I havent seen many of your posts. I will assume you are not one of the people on this board who would defend anything Trump does while being more than ready to condemn a commie libtard for the same thing.

I dislike most politicians, Trump was better than the alternative and I feel that way again. He does some dumb stuff, but everyone of them do. I don't like some on here who have a blind hatred and push their agenda no matter the facts.

 

[Weezer]

Trump was elected specifically because he is not willing to compromise.
Because he is a divider and not a uniter.
How many people have you seen in the PF state that Trump won because they didn't want another weak republican who would do what the left wanted (compromise).
Trump was the signal from the right of "no more compromise because we are sick of what compromise brings".
Luckily, it's the last gasps of a drowning man.

And Obama was such a great compromiser that he bragged about his pen. Why not acknowledge both sides? Is truth so hard to accept? Democrats are just as unwilling as Republicans, and vice versa. I look forward to your degrees and continuums defense.(That's sarcasm btw).

 

[Weezer]

So you continue to maintain that they are all equally bad?

Which would obviously mean it makes absolutely no difference who is supported and elected.

Believe one is "more bad" if you want, but does that change the fact both are still "bad"? Should "less bad" be the goal, or should the goal be "good"?

 

[hUTch2002]

Not really. Sometimes it's about being lucky, or striking a chord. I doubt Trump sees the big picture or even cares to. The rotating White House staff argues against it. There is no stability. If he could see the big picture, I don't think that would be a problem.

And I think he’s smarter than you give him credit for. He must be impossibly lucky to have done all the things he’s done.

 

[hUTch2002]

Fine, but with THIS President it has sure seemed a lot more disorganized than most. I don't see how anyone could think otherwise, even his supporters.

It does come across that way for sure. What I don’t know is how much is due to Trump changing how things are typically done, how much is due to him being inexperienced in any sort of political position, etc. No doubt both of those factors impact the administration’s functionality, along with other factors, but we will never know how much each plays a role. I’m amazed at how many people feel comfortable talking about the inner workings of the WH while he is still in office though. That and the number of people who have secretly recorded the POTUS and shared it. I don’t like that at all and it’s a dangerous precedent. I don’t care if it’s Obama, Trump, or someone else, we shouldn’t be getting the leaks of information and discussions we are getting on the current term POTUS. If you want to share all of that after his term then have at it but while Trump or any other POTUS is still in office these people need to keep their mouths shut.

 

[Weezer]

And I think he’s smarter than you give him credit for. He must be impossibly lucky to have done all the things he’s done.

What amazing things has he done as President? The economy and employment? Hard to count those when they've been wiped out. Sure, it was the virus, but it doesn't change the fact they are gone. So what amazing thing has he done? Don't get me wrong. I don't think Biden will be any better. But I do think you're overselling Trump.

 

[hUTch2002]

What amazing things has he done as President? The economy and employment? Hard to count those when they've been wiped out. Sure, it was the virus, but it doesn't change the fact they are gone. So what amazing thing has he done? Don't get me wrong. I don't think Biden will be any better. But I do think you're overselling Trump.

I wasn’t talking about just as Prez. I’m saying that to have done all the things he has done in his life he must be impossibly lucky if he isn’t smart. I wasn’t selling Trump’s time as Prez but I can tell you that he at least seemed to try and keep his campaign promises, unlike most politicians who seem to forget them one elected, and the best thing that has come out of his time is how he has exposed the lunacy of the Dems and the sellouts known as the MSM.

 

[luthervol]

Believe one is "more bad" if you want, but does that change the fact both are still "bad"? Should "less bad" be the goal, or should the goal be "good"?

The goal should be good. That has certainly always been my goal.
Selecting "less bad" over "more bad" is one way to move closer to that elusive "good".

 

[lawgator1]

It does come across that way for sure. What I don’t know is how much is due to Trump changing how things are typically done, how much is due to him being inexperienced in any sort of political position, etc. No doubt both of those factors impact the administration’s functionality, along with other factors, but we will never know how much each plays a role. I’m amazed at how many people feel comfortable talking about the inner workings of the WH while he is still in office though. That and the number of people who have secretly recorded the POTUS and shared it. I don’t like that at all and it’s a dangerous precedent. I don’t care if it’s Obama, Trump, or someone else, we shouldn’t be getting the leaks of information and discussions we are getting on the current term POTUS. If you want to share all of that after his term then have at it but while Trump or any other POTUS is still in office these people need to keep their mouths shut.

The level of change you are talking about, like deregulation as an example, occurs way beneath him. He touts it, of course, but I daresay if you asked him to name three he'd struggle.

 

[Weezer]

I wasn’t talking about just as Prez. I’m saying that to have done all the things he has done in his life he must be impossibly lucky if he isn’t smart. I wasn’t selling Trump’s time as Prez but I can tell you that he at least seemed to try and keep his campaign promises, unlike most politicians who seem to forget them one elected, and the best thing that has come out of his time is how he has exposed the lunacy of the Dems and the sellouts known as the MSM.

He's also exposed his own lunacy, especially through his Twitter rants. Both sides have acted increasingly crazy, but both sides also only seem to want to point out the insanity of the other without acknowledging their own. It's not just one side that is broken. It's the whole damn thing.

 

[Weezer]

The goal should be good. That has certainly always been my goal.
Selecting "less bad" over "more bad" is one way to move closer to that elusive "good".

Bad is still bad, even if you consider it "less bad". It doesn't make it good. "Well it's closer to good" is a weak defense of it still NOT being good. Sometimes, you need to put "degrees and continuums" aside, and simply admit truth.

 

[hjeagle1vol]

Unless of course the cryers can overlook the fact the US has freaking decks of playing cards with faces, names, and bounties used in the exact same fashion then this is just another blame it all Trump thread. How original

 

[hUTch2002]

The level of change you are talking about, like deregulation as an example, occurs way beneath him. He touts it, of course, but I daresay if you asked him to name three he'd struggle.

So you’re saying that the deregulation and tax cuts that helped pave the way for economic growth just happened without Trump’s knowledge?

 

[hUTch2002]

He's also exposed his own lunacy, especially through his Twitter rants. Both sides have acted increasingly crazy, but both sides also only seem to want to point out the insanity of the other without acknowledging their own. It's not just one side that is broken. It's the whole damn thing.

Yeah, I agree they’re all nuts and they all want one thing. Power. Left, right, blue, red, independent, all of them, they will all do whatever it takes to get and keep power.

 

[clarksvol00]

Unless of course the cryers can overlook the fact the US has freaking decks of playing cards with faces, names, and bounties used in the exact same fashion then this is just another blame it all Trump thread. How original

I'm not blaming Trump for anything, but I will point out we were at war with the terrorists on the playing cards. As far as I know, Russia isn't (openly) at war with us. Just another defend Trump post. How original

 

[luthervol]

Bad is still bad, even if you consider it "less bad". It doesn't make it good. "Well it's closer to good" is a weak defense of it still NOT being good. Sometimes, you need to put "degrees and continuums" aside, and simply admit truth.

And what truth is that?
That both sides suck? That all politicians suck? That our system is doomed to failure?
I'll pass.

I actually know that we are not as far apart as our entrenched positions make it seem.

 

[Septic]

Trump will also insist that it could have been another country out there, who paid bounties to the Taliban. There are a lot of countries out there, ya' know? Trump might even point to past mistakes by U.S. intelligence officials as a reason to not trust this. Trump will do whatever he can to defend Vladimir Putin and to cast doubt on the conclusion of his own intelligence community and at all cost, avoid having to take any punitive action against his friend. Even in light of this, Trump will continue to aggressively lobby for Russia to be admitted back in to the G 7.

"many people are blaming the illegal immigrants, John Bolton and antifa for paying the tally-ban" - Trump (probably)