Russia brings the fight to ISIS in Syria!!!

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Rasputin_Vol said:
So basically, you support the strategy of using our US soldiers as human shields halfway around the world?
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I'm interested in what is best for the USA and our foriegn policy and military. Finding stability in Syria is in our best interest.
 
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Velo Vol said:
ISIS is getting crushed!

Airstrikes Kill 227 Civilians in Bloodiest Day, Including 65 Children and Women
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Those numbers sound pretty high, but it is possible given the way the Russians and Assad typically operate. It will be interesting to see how these numbers can or cannot be substantiated in the coming days. The only thing for certain though is that Russian media will make this source its prime target for its weekly "discredit and denigrate" campaign.

I don't doubt that Russian strikes have killed hundreds of civilians thus far, but I doubt they've killed that many on one day. Anyone who knows anything about Russian combat tactics knows that life, civilian or friendly forces, doesn't mean a hill of beans if the ultimate objective can be achieved. Russians are notorious for ignoring Western standards for avoiding collateral damage.

Meanwhile, while this goes on in Syria, Western liberal societies will be too busy self-loathing to worry about what Putin and Assad are doing. Hell, if it weren't for the refugee crisis involved, it would hardly even register.
 
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The evidence is yet to be reviewed, and I'm not implying foul play was involved in the Russian plane crash, however, if there was.....talking about igniting a fire!
 
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Pacer92 said:
Death, taxes and msm lies...
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The numbers do admittedly seem a bit too staggering, but there's no doubt civilians have been killed whether or not Putin fesses.

What do you stand to gain by not accepting this fact? You can still be highly critical of US foreign policy but admit Putin's Russia for what it is too, which is a non-transparent entity that lies when it needs too. Not everything is an absolutist struggle of good v. evil. Both the US and Russia can reside somewhere in between.
 
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Pacer92 said:
The evidence is yet to be reviewed, and I'm not implying foul play was involved in the Russian plane crash, however, if there was.....talking about igniting a fire!
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The Egyptian ISIS affiliate in the Sinai has claimed responsibility, but my initial impression is that it's opportunistic mumbo jumbo.

For the sake of the Russian people, I hope it wasn't, because, if it was, it will pressure Putin (who's no great strategist to begin with; just a tactical master) to intensify Russian involvement in the Middle East, possibly even including more Russian ground operations. This is a lose-lose situation. A battle that can't be won. Stabilized only at best.
 
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volprof said:
The Egyptian ISIS affiliate in the Sinai has claimed responsibility, but my initial impression is that it's opportunistic mumbo jumbo.

For the sake of the Russian people, I hope it wasn't, because, if it was, it will pressure Putin (who's no great strategist to begin with; just a tactical master) to intensify Russian involvement in the Middle East, possibly even including more Russian ground operations. This is a lose-lose situation. A battle that can't be won. Stabilized only at best.
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I doubt ISIS has the ability to shoot down an airliner, but I can only imagine this being the Russian 9/11 if it were true. Putin would scorch the Middle East with all means necessary...
 
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volprof said:
The numbers do admittedly seem a bit too staggering, but there's no doubt civilians have been killed whether or not Putin fesses.

What do you stand to gain by not accepting this fact? You can still be highly critical of US foreign policy but admit Putin's Russia for what it is too, which is a non-transparent entity that lies when it needs too. Not everything is an absolutist struggle of good v. evil. Both the US and Russia can reside somewhere in between.
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I stand nothing to gain, as do you. This isnt factual at the moment...
 
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Roustabout said:
I'm interested in what is best for the USA and our foriegn policy and military. Finding stability in Syria is in our best interest.
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It has nothing to do with us or our best interest. Our best interest would be to strengthen the support of secular or less fundamentalist rulers over there such as Assad. Instead, we topple non-secular rulers and the void is filled with radicals.

Our better yet, how about we just leave them alone all together?
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
It has nothing to do with us or our best interest. Our best interest would be to strengthen the support of secular or less fundamentalist rulers over there such as Assad. Instead, we topple non-secular rulers and the void is filled with radicals.

Our better yet, how about we just leave them alone all together?
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This...
 
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Grand Vol said:
Wonder if they thought the same thing in 1979 before Afghanistan...
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Meanwhile, looks like the US may be learning a lesson or two after all in the region...

As Russia Bombs Syria, U.S. Pulls Aircraft Carrier Out of Persian Gulf

The lack of a U.S. presence in the gulf comes as Russia is escalating its actions in the region and began pounding targets in Syria last week with airstrikes. Russian officials say they're trying to obliterate ISIS, although the U.S. and its allies say they're instead hitting rebel fighters who oppose Syrian President Bashar Assad, a Russian ally.

Russia remains a wild card in the region — and the absence of an American aircraft carrier is being noticed, said Peter Daly, a retired Navy vice admiral and CEO of the U.S. Naval Institute.
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volprof said:
Seems our resident Kremlin allies are trying desperately to discredit the Syrian Observatory.

This has been a theme thus far for the Russian media and its ally network. Two things about that:

1. Common sense and logic dictates that, within a month, at least one non-combatant will be killed by continuous strikes. It's called collateral damage, and it will happen no matter how many measures are taken to avoid it.

2. That the Syrian Observatory also reports on the innocent casualties of American airstrikes, not all of which are ever brought to the media's attention or admitted by the US, should serve as sufficient proof that the Observatory is not merely a tool of the US/UK and its coalition.

I think it's about time to man-up and admit the mistakes that have been made, instead of trying so hard to demean an initiative that is trying to bring global attention to the plight of the Syrian people. Putin needs to actually practice those manly virtues he so constantly expounds instead of just giving them lip service. Fess up and take some damn responsibility.
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Listen to this madman... He wants to take down Assad at all costs, including fighting Russia and Iran.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mC7Fz0d9H8M[/youtube]
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Listen to this madman... He wants to take down Assad at all costs, including fighting Russia and Iran.
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Perhaps I missed where he stated the US should be engaging Russia directly militarily.

Can you point to that time in the video please.
 
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Sending 50 special ops into Syria doesn't equate to us having full blown military operations. And I like how people blame Obama for going back on his word. Like he is not allowed to react to the changes happening in that part of the world.
 
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namasteVOLfans said:
Sending 50 special ops into Syria doesn't equate to us having full blown military operations. And I like how people blame Obama for going back on his word. Like he is not allowed to react to the changes happening in that part of the world.
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He's an idiot with No plan or Strategy, that's why people are pissed...
 
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namasteVOLfans said:
Sending 50 special ops into Syria doesn't equate to us having full blown military operations. And I like how people blame Obama for going back on his word. Like he is not allowed to react to the changes happening in that part of the world.
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So, 50 Special Ops are going to win this war? I'm certain they are badasses, but c'mon?! If he lied about sending them, I'm sure he'll lie about how many. It's just the start...
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Listen to this madman... He wants to take down Assad at all costs, including fighting Russia and Iran.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mC7Fz0d9H8M[/youtube]
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The guy is a lunatic. It's never been about fighting the boogeyman....he makes that perfectly clear..
 
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Grand Vol said:
Perhaps I missed where he stated the US should be engaging Russia directly militarily.

Can you point to that time in the video please.
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@1:48. Graham ask if Russia, Iran and Hezbollah were going to fight for Assad. He then asks if we were going to help the alleged groups that we train fight those that are fighting Assad. He is clearly upset at the fact that there is no plan to have a military component that will remove Assad.

How dense do you have to be to not see this? Nevermind... don't answer that.
 
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