Russia brings the fight to ISIS in Syria!!!

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Pacer92 said:
When you're willing(which you're not) to bring in US transgressions inot that same time frame, THEN, we can have a convo. Just stop with the Russian aggression, just ****ing stop!
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Just mention dick Cheney and Prof goes on rants far surpassing anything aimed at you, Ras, and russia. We are all pretty negative towards the actions of the US. Most of us don't deny the points you bring up against the US. We recognize both sides. You only push the anti US sentiment.
 
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Pacer92 said:
The Russian MoD has refuted these claims. There are no medical facilities in 5 of the 6 purported cities where msm makes these claims. The sixth was proven with photographic evidence that it was unharmed. Who's the one refuting and denying?
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And the Russian MOD has never lied?
 
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LouderVol said:
Just mention dick Cheney and Prof goes on rants far surpassing anything aimed at you, Ras, and russia. We are all pretty negative towards the actions of the US. Most of us don't deny the points you bring up against the US. We recognize both sides. You only push the anti US sentiment.
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Where is that side? Where does anyone, beside RAS. And myself call our govt on their wrongdoings? Where are these quotes and links?
 
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Pacer92 said:
Where is that side? Where does anyone, beside RAS. And myself call our govt on their wrongdoings? Where are these quotes and links?
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Hey Prof tell me how you really feel about dick Cheney. Thanks in advance.

Grandvol, care to comment on some of our executive actions lately?
 
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Kunduz, no one is touching that with a 12 stick because there is no way to spin it. We done trucked up hard there. We were all against the training of the moderates in Syria, made plenty of comparisons to Al Queda.
 
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Grand Vol said:
And the Russian MOD has never lied?
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I'm sure they do. I read both sides. Y'all dont! I'm all about kicking ass if it's justifiable. Where is the justification for our actions for the last 15 years, give or take? We've overtook, murdered two leaders in the middle east that helped keep terrorist at bay...

Why are we supporting terrorist to overthrow a legitimate leader, that NO ONE else saw as a threar, until we deemed him not worthy?
 
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LouderVol said:
Hey Prof tell me how you really feel about dick Cheney. Thanks in advance.
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The Penguin should be hanged at the Hague, and every single American and every single Iraqi should be able to contribute a thread to his noose.

That man did more than any American in the last quarter century, and perhaps ever, to weaken this nation. He represents bad American nationalism, assuming he's actually even an American nationalist to begin with. I don't think he actually is. I think he's merely a neoliberal internationalist, and a ****ty and criminal one at that.
 
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LouderVol said:
^ @Pacer. but yeah we never question or blame the government. :whistle:
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That's a good and accurate post. I'll give him a like.

My question is this....

We intiated an air campaign against ISIL in Iraq and Syria over a year ago. It was a breach of international law to begin with, much like Iraq. This bombing campaign has been an admitted failure on our part. How will sending in 50 Special Ops be a game changer? What if casualties occur because of Russian bombs? What then?
 
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Pacer92 said:
That's a good and accurate post. I'll give him a like.

My question is this....

We intiated an air campaign against ISIL in Iraq and Syria over a year ago. It was a breach of international law to begin with, much like Iraq. This bombing campaign has been an admitted failure on our part. How will sending in 50 Special Ops be a game changer? What if casualties occur because of Russian bombs? What then?
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when you first asked I said I didn't like us putting boots on the ground and it can only complicate matters. that hasn't changed. If it was up to me I would have every non local power pull out of the region (its a lot more than the US and Russia) and let that region burn itself out over the next 50-100 years.
 
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Pacer92 said:
That's a good and accurate post. I'll give him a like.

My question is this....

We intiated an air campaign against ISIL in Iraq and Syria over a year ago. It was a breach of international law to begin with, much like Iraq. This bombing campaign has been an admitted failure on our part. How will sending in 50 Special Ops be a game changer? What if casualties occur because of Russian bombs? What then?
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I don't necessarily have a moral problem with our bombing in Syria because a) it's not even directed at Assad or really even regime change and b) Assad no longer possesses legitimacy, if, by "legitimacy" we mean a government that is popularly elected, not at war with factions of its own society, and not killing civilians because dumb munitions are cheap and non-Alawite lives even cheaper. I think, however, that it is strategically useless without ground forces and fiscally wasteful.

Our biggest problem in Syria was not necessarily standing against Assad or wanting his ouster, because he ultimately has to go; otherwise, Syria risks never functioning again as a nation - it was already incoherent to begin with. Rather, our biggest problem in Syria was getting involved in the first place by supporting and arming the Syrian opposition. While I largely sympathize with that group, barring the avid jihadists among them, it was a war we never should have gotten involved in outside of moral support for the opposition.

Our task should have been helping the Iraqis solidify their border as best as possible, although, given Iran's de facto control of the Iraqi state (thanks again, Penguin!), Iraq was most likely never going to allow a worthy American presence until the **** absolutely hit the fan anyhow.
 
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Pacer92 said:
That's a good and accurate post. I'll give him a like.

My question is this....

We intiated an air campaign against ISIL in Iraq and Syria over a year ago. It was a breach of international law to begin with, much like Iraq. This bombing campaign has been an admitted failure on our part. How will sending in 50 Special Ops be a game changer? What if casualties occur because of Russian bombs? What then?
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It will sadly end up being a waste of 50 lives if the US isn't careful.
 
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red butler said:
Way more than 50 if we're not careful. If even one of these guys gets killed by either the Syrian or Russian military, things will escalate fast IMO.
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That's my fear too. Let's hope not, but that's a very real possibility..
 
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@DMVFollowers: A former aide to Russian President Vladimir Putin was found dead Thursday in a room at the Dupont Circle Hotel.

Hmm.
 
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VolsNSkinsFan said:
@DMVFollowers: A former aide to Russian President Vladimir Putin was found dead Thursday in a room at the Dupont Circle Hotel.

Hmm.
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Not unusual for a 57 yr old man to die of a heart attack, however, being a close Putin colleague and the founder of RT will raise some eyebrows for sure..
 
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red butler said:
Way more than 50 if we're not careful. If even one of these guys gets killed by either the Syrian or Russian military, things will escalate fast IMO.
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You're correct. I was basically referring to the strategy that is expressed below and being spoken about in some other circles. Essentially, they're being used as human shields...

Roustabout said:
Depends on the reasons and strategy. My suspicion is that the reason to put soldiers on the ground is to deter Russian strikes. It's pretty well known that Russia was targeting not ISIS but other groups that the US has been supporting. Russia has been emphatic that it is ONLY targeting ISIS. If the US makes it KNOWN that they are placing US military on the ground in an advisory role, then Russia would KNOWINGLY be attaching US interest. If (and that's a big if) this is the case then i actually say, "well done" by the admin.
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My teacher is Syrian. He has family fighting Assad and ISIS...and Russia. He said the rebels can beat Assad but when they get the upper hand Isis comes in to fight. When they start beating up on Isis Russian planes fly over and bomb them.

The Isis "targets" they are bombing are unused fields that are controlled by Isis and not occupied. This way Russia can get on the world news and claim to be bombing Isis.
 
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kentucky sucks said:
My teacher is Syrian. He has family fighting Assad and ISIS...and Russia. He said the rebels can beat Assad but when they get the upper hand Isis comes in to fight. When they start beating up on Isis Russian planes fly over and bomb them.

The Isis "targets" they are bombing are unused fields that are controlled by Isis and not occupied. This way Russia can get on the world news and claim to be bombing Isis.
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That's interesting information. Thanks for sharing. Some reports from the one or two independent Russian news sources that actually remain (hard to believe there's even one left) have suggested that Russian security services have basically turned a blind eye to the exodus of jihadists from its North Caucasus region so as to funnel its jihadist problem out its southern regions.

If you think about it, while cynical, it is also a brilliant tactical move. The problem is that it's a stupid strategic move, because it's not actually addressing the issues that produce those jihadists in its southern regions in the first place, like the corruption of North Caucasus administrations (particularly Kadyrov's) and the poverty/humiliation of life in those places. It's only delaying the inevitable, which is a third war in the North Caucasus that Russia will have to fight on its own territory.
 
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kentucky sucks said:
My teacher is Syrian. He has family fighting Assad and ISIS...and Russia. He said the rebels can beat Assad but when they get the upper hand Isis comes in to fight. When they start beating up on Isis Russian planes fly over and bomb them.
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Why didn't the rebels prevail a year or two ago, before ISIS or Russia had strength in the country?
 
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Velo Vol said:
Why didn't the rebels prevail a year or two ago, before ISIS or Russia had strength in the country?
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I obviously can't speak for this poster, but, I'd imagine, like with any war, the simple matter of attrition.

Russia didn't just beat Nazi Germany; it was a war of attrition, and the Russians were more suited for it than the Germans.

Perhaps the thinking is (besides the probable sheer confidence booster of positive thinking) that, with the Assad's power base being a minority one in the nation's south and coastal regions, the opposition was ultimately more capable of surviving the attrition of the war.
 
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Velo Vol said:
Why didn't the rebels prevail a year or two ago, before ISIS or Russia had strength in the country?
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I think it goes without saying that the Syrian majority are behind Assad. No way that he is in power at this point without the backing of the people and military. Syrians know that the opposition began with, and continue with western funded terrorist, ISIS included.

If Assad was this monster he's portrayed, Syrians would have nipped this years ago..
 
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Pacer92 said:
I think it goes without saying that the Syrian majority are behind Assad. No way that he is in power at this point without the backing of the people and military. Syrians know that the opposition began with, and continue with western funded terrorist, ISIS included.

If Assad was this monster he's portrayed, Syrians would have nipped this years ago..
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By that kind of thinking, it also stands to reason that regimes like Kim's in North Korea and even groups like ISIS themselves can't possibly be bad because locals haven't kicked them out yet.

But, yeah, keep defending a mass murderer.

You do know that you can still be anti-US foreign policy while not having to sell your soul to the Devil, right?
 
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