Russia brings the fight to ISIS in Syria!!!

[Rasputin_Vol]

He's an idiot with No plan or Strategy, that's why people are pissed...

What would you prefer to be the plan or strategy?

 

[FLVOL69]

What would you prefer to be the plan or strategy?

It's a little late to formulate a plan now, his egotistical ass doesn't listen to his advisors anyway, going to have to hold on till the GOP takes back the white house. In the mean time Let Hilary and Barry own up to their Middle Eastern policy fiasco...

 

[IPleadInsanity]

Sending 50 special ops into Syria doesn't equate to us having full blown military operations. And I like how people blame Obama for going back on his word. Like he is not allowed to react to the changes happening in that part of the world.

He is putting token troops on the ground to make sure he knows what is happening in the region. The one thing he cannot afford is for Russia to take out ISIS. Maybe they can't take them out but whatever they do it will be more than Obama has done.

 

[Grand Vol]

@1:48. Graham ask if Russia, Iran and Hezbollah were going to fight for Assad. He then asks if we were going to help the alleged groups that we train fight those that are fighting Assad. He is clearly upset at the fact that there is no plan to have a military component that will remove Assad.

How dense do you have to be to not see this? Nevermind... don't answer that.

You are asking me about being dense?

BWAHAHAHAHAHA

 

[Velo Vol]

Hallmark of a "technical problem."

Can anyone track down the air traffic controller "Carlos"? Maybe he knows what happened.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

It's a little late to formulate a plan now, his egotistical ass doesn't listen to his advisors anyway, going to have to hold on till the GOP takes back the white house. In the mean time Let Hilary and Barry own up to their Middle Eastern policy fiasco...

That isn't a really good answer. Suppose he found a backbone, got a brain or got some balls (the insinuation I get from most of you that he is should go to the Wizard to bet brains, courage and a heart), then what would be the correct action?

 

[FLVOL69]

That isn't a really good answer. Suppose he found a backbone, got a brain or got some balls (the insinuation I get from most of you that he is should go to the Wizard to bet brains, courage and a heart), then what would be the correct action?

It's not the answer you want to hear, I dunno paint another ****ing red line? He doesn't listen to his advisors military or economic, that's why it's a huge CF.

 

[volprof]

More denigrate and discredit:

https://www.rt.com/news/320509-syria-russian-air-force/

Well, if the Russian Ministry of Defense says it, then it must be true. Never mind that MSF has accused them and was right proven right about Kunduz. Never mind any of that. The Russian MoD said so.

Nothing to see here.

 

[Pacer92]

More denigrate and discredit:

https://www.rt.com/news/320509-syria-russian-air-force/

Well, if the Russian Ministry of Defense says it, then it must be true. Never mind that MSF has accused them and was right proven right about Kunduz. Never mind any of that. The Russian MoD said so.

Nothing to see here.

As they should. Not much to disprove though, since most were total fabrications..

Konashenkov denied the accusations, which he said were "traditionally made without any proof, without any factual backing.”

Out of six hospitals that were mentioned in the reports, only one medical facility actually exists in real life, he added.

"We’ve checked this information. It turned out that, a hospital is only present in the village Sarmin,” the spokesman said, adding that there are no hospitals and no medical workers in the other five villages named in media reports.

The Defense Ministry presented a photo of the Sarmin hospital, which was taken on October 31 after the reports emerged.

The image showed the building was intact, disproving claims it had been completely destroyed and 12 people killed.

 

[tumscalcium]

As they should. Not much to disprove though, since most were total fabrications..

Well, only one hospital exists now......

 

[Grand Vol]

As they should. Not much to disprove though, since most were total fabrications..

Interesting that you will discredit any West news outlet as being lies and propaganda, yet accept RT without question.

 

[Pacer92]

Interesting that you will discredit any West news outlet as being lies and propaganda, yet accept RT without question.

When they start presenting proof with these accusations I'll consider it...

And the last link I posted was from msm..

 

[volprof]

As they should. Not much to disprove though, since most were total fabrications..

It never ceases to amaze me how you will just eat up anything right out of the hands of the Kremlin.

It's like you know nothing whatsoever about Russian history.

You would think a critical thinker like yourself would at least know that harboring some suspicion of the Kremlin is a practice with merits borne out by nearly 500 years of Russian history.

 

[volprof]

Interesting that you will discredit any West news outlet as being lies and propaganda, yet accept RT without question.

Don't bother him. He's too busy critical thinking.

 

[volprof]

When they start presenting proof with these accusations I'll consider it...

And the last link I posted was from msm..

Proof? The MSF (Doctors Without Borders, just in case that needs clarification) has claimed they've hit numerous hospitals of theirs in Syria. The same MSF that accused the US of hitting on of theirs in Kunduz and was right.

What more proof can you ask for? Further, it's unclear to me what even constitutes proof for you and Ras. The only thing I can surmise is that "proof" for you two can only come with a direct verification from the Kremlin itself.

If that's your high standard of proof, I'm sorry to say that none of us will ever be able to refute your arguments, because such a ridiculously high standard (aka - never going to happen) as that makes them completely irrefutable.

 

[Pacer92]

It never ceases to amaze me how you will just eat up anything right out of the hands of the Kremlin.

It's like you know nothing whatsoever about Russian history.

You would think a critical thinker like yourself would at least know that harboring some suspicion of the Kremlin is a practice with merits borne out by nearly 500 years of Russian history.

Harboring suspicion against Russia/Soviet Union is taught. Not something that was encoded at birth. Hate is learned....you, of all people, should know that...

 

[Pacer92]

Proof? The MSF (Doctors Without Borders, just in case that needs clarification) has claimed they've hit numerous hospitals of theirs in Syria. The same MSF that accused the US of hitting on of theirs in Kunduz and was right.

What more proof can you ask for? Further, it's unclear to me what even constitutes proof for you and Ras. The only thing I can surmise is that "proof" for you two can only come with a direct verification from the Kremlin itself.

If that's your high standard of proof, I'm sorry to say that none of us will ever be able to refute your arguments, because such a ridiculously high standard (aka - never going to happen) as that makes them completely irrefutable.

The Russian MoD has refuted these claims. There are no medical facilities in 5 of the 6 purported cities where msm makes these claims. The sixth was proven with photographic evidence that it was unharmed. Who's the one refuting and denying?

 

[volprof]

The Russian MoD has refuted these claims. There are no medical facilities in 5 of the 6 purported cities where msm makes these claims. The sixth was proven with photographic evidence that it was unharmed. Who's the one refuting and denying?

Just look at you.

So in Ukraine, photo evidence from the US = not sufficient.

In Syria, photo evidence from Russia = plenty sufficient.

Double standard much?

So, in your esteemed opinion, why is the MSF lying to us? Similarly, why did it decide to tell the truth about Kunduz but lie here?

Pardon me, but if MSF says their hospitals have been hit, I'm going to believe them over some Russian general and his interpretation of some photos.

 

[volprof]

Harboring suspicion against Russia/Soviet Union is taught. Not something that was encoded at birth. Hate is learned....you, of all people, should know that...

Feel-good sentimentality beside, are you telling me that the Kremlin has never lied?

That's what you seem to be implicitly suggesting. Since hate is taught (I have no clue what that fact has to do with this), therefore it stands that our view of the Kremlin and its history is merely a lie, woven for us by our government and media.

You ever read a history of the Kremlin?

I don't even trust Washington. Why the hell shouldn't I be suspicious of the Kremlin then?

 

[Pacer92]

Just look at you.

So in Ukraine, photo evidence from the US = not sufficient.

In Syria, photo evidence from Russia = plenty sufficient.

Double standard much?

So, in your esteemed opinion, why is the MSF lying to us? Similarly, why did it decide to tell the truth about Kunduz but lie here?

Pardon me, but if MSF says their hospitals have been hit, I'm going to believe them over some Russian general and his interpretation of some photos.

Like in a trial, there's got to be more than words...

 

[tumscalcium]

Like in a trial, there's got to be more than words...

The court of public opinion says otherwise. Welcome to the msm.

 

[Pacer92]

Feel-good sentimentality beside, are you telling me that the Kremlin has never lied?

That's what you seem to be implicitly suggesting. Since hate is taught (I have no clue what that fact has to do with this), therefore it stands that our view of the Kremlin and its history is merely a lie, woven for us by our government and media.

You ever read a history of the Kremlin?

I don't even trust Washington. Why the hell shouldn't I be suspicious of the Kremlin then?

So you distrust Washington? Both sides use the prop, but looking at our agenda/meddling in the last 15-20 yrs...it's pretty obvious...

 

[Pacer92]

The court of public opinion says otherwise. Welcome to the msm.

That's what they are counting on.....you going with the flow. To find the truth, both sides have to have a voice...

 

[volprof]

So you distrust Washington? Both sides use the prop, but looking at our agenda/meddling in the last 15-20 yrs...it's pretty obvious...

Between the US and Russia, in an obviously imperfect world, I'll believe the US govt. for all its flaws over the Russian govt. 9 times out of 10. The US govt. is composed of a bunch of lying corporatist *******s, but that just shows you how much I think of the Russian government and its history.

The only reason why Russia hasn't been meddling as much as the US the past two decades is because its previous period of empire and meddling beat it down so bad that it couldn't get a decent meddling campaign of the ground if it wanted to anymore. It hasn't been out of the goodness of their own hearts, I can assure you that.

Now that Russia has recuperated a large amount of its Soviet/Russian Empire power, it's back to meddling just like in the days of the past. Just in the last decade, it's already done the following:

1. Goad the hothead Saakashvili into an armed conflict by moving forces into the Georgian-claimed regions of Abhkazia and South Ossetia, then invented trumped up charges of Georgian military attacks on ethnic Ossetians, Abhkazians, and Russians. In other words, it was a brief war that didn't have to occur if not for Russian "meddling." Even recently, Russia has been moving the barbed-wire border fences at its own whim, taking more and more Georgian territory. Vice News has an upcoming report on the matter, which has received little Western media attention. I recommend you watch.

2. De facto annexation of South Ossetia and Abhkazia.

3. Legally annex Crimea after illegal armed occupation and elections.

4. Created a pseudo-war in eastern Ukraine that never would have occurred had it not been for Russian funding, Russian regulars, and Russian-supported Cossacks from Russia. We're still looking for the concentration camps that Russian state media was reporting on at the time, by the way.

5. Armed, supported, and financed a mass murdering state leader and regime in Syria.

6. Armed, supported, and financed a mass murdering state leader and regime in Chechnya.

7. Supported and financed ethnic Serbian separatists in Bosnia and Serbian nationalists elsewhere in the Balkans, a move which continues to destabilize a region that the US made stable, despite many thinking the task at the time was impossible. Any more Russian "help" in the Balkans, and those critics will have been proven right after all.

8. Removed the former Kirgiz president from power because of his relationship with the US (considered too close for Putin's liking) and installed its own puppet in Kyrgyzstan.

I could go on.

And this all done while convincing you they haven't done a single thing. Why, Russia's so harmless, it couldn't even hurt a fly.

 

[Pacer92]

Between the US and Russia, in an obviously imperfect world, I'll believe the US govt. for all its flaws over the Russian govt. 9 times out of 10. The US govt. is composed of a bunch of lying corporatist *******s, but that just shows you how much I think of the Russian government and its history.

The only reason why Russia hasn't been meddling as much as the US the past two decades is because its previous period of empire and meddling beat it down so bad that it couldn't get a decent meddling campaign of the ground if it wanted to anymore. It hasn't been out of the goodness of their own hearts, I can assure you that.

Now that Russia has recuperated a large amount of its Soviet/Russian Empire power, it's back to meddling just like in the days of the past. Just in the last decade, it's already done the following:

1. Goad the hothead Saakashvili into an armed conflict by moving forces into the Georgian-claimed regions of Abhkazia and South Ossetia, then invented trumped up charges of Georgian military attacks on ethnic Ossetians, Abhkazians, and Russians. In other words, it was a brief war that didn't have to occur if not for Russian "meddling." Even recently, Russia has been moving the barbed-wire border fences at its own whim, taking more and more Georgian territory. Vice News has an upcoming report on the matter, which has received little Western media attention. I recommend you watch.

2. De facto annexation of South Ossetia and Abhkazia.

3. Legally annex Crimea after illegal armed occupation and elections.

4. Created a pseudo-war in eastern Ukraine that never would have occurred had it not been for Russian funding, Russian regulars, and Russian-supported Cossacks from Russia. We're still looking for the concentration camps that Russian state media was reporting on at the time, by the way.

5. Armed, supported, and financed a mass murdering state leader and regime in Syria.

6. Armed, supported, and financed a mass murdering state leader and regime in Chechnya.

7. Supported and financed ethnic Serbian separatists in Bosnia and Serbian nationalists elsewhere in the Balkans, a move which continues to destabilize a region that the US made stable, despite many thinking the task at the time was impossible. Any more Russian "help" in the Balkans, and those critics will have been proven right after all.

8. Removed the former Kirgiz president from power because of his relationship with the US (considered too close for Putin's liking) and installed its own puppet in Kyrgyzstan.

I could go on.

And this all done while convincing you they haven't done a single thing. Why, Russia's so harmless, it couldn't even hurt a fly.

When you're willing(which you're not) to bring in US transgressions inot that same time frame, THEN, we can have a convo. Just stop with the Russian aggression, just ****ing stop!