Russia says 60 dead, 145 injured in concert hall raid; Islamic State group claims responsibility

The Red Line and the Rat Line Seymour M. Hersh on Obama, Erdoğan and the Syrian rebels

The full extent of US co-operation with Turkey, Saudi Arabia and Qatar in assisting the rebel opposition in Syria has yet to come to light. The Obama administration has never publicly admitted to its role in creating what the CIA calls a ‘rat line’, a back channel highway into Syria. The rat line, authorised in early 2012, was used to funnel weapons and ammunition from Libya via southern Turkey and across the Syrian border to the opposition. Many of those in Syria who ultimately received the weapons were jihadists, some of them affiliated with al-Qaida. (The DNI spokesperson said: ‘The idea that the United States was providing weapons from Libya to anyone is false.’)

HILLARY CLINTON ACKNOWLEDGES SAUDI TERROR FINANCING IN HACKED EMAIL, HINTING AT TOUGHER APPROACH

Neither of those proved your claim
 
 
Maria Zakharova...

Official representative of the US National Security Council Adrienne Watson: Ukraine is not involved in the terrorist attack in Krasnogorsk, the banned ISIS is to blame.

If only they could sort out the assassination of their own President Kennedy so quickly. But no, for more than 60 years they have not been able to find out who killed him.
Or maybe ISIS too? Or will they delay for another 60 years with specifics, playing with any “constructive uncertainty”?

Or let's take the terrorist attack on Nord Stream? There, according to the United States (and The New York Times cited comments from officials), Ukrainians were involved. True, then the American authorities went to the bottom. So they are still rummaging around there in search of either Kyiv or ISIS divers. Not a single word was uttered from Washington calling on Denmark and Sweden not to stop searching for those responsible, and Russia’s proposal for an investigation under the auspices of the UN was blocked by the Anglo-Saxons in the Security Council.

All this suggests that US political elites have become skilled over the decades in skillfully diverting attention from high-profile crimes and all sorts of staging.

Therefore, until the investigation into the terrorist attack at Crocus City Hall is completed, any phrase from Washington justifying Kyiv should be considered as evidence. After all, the financing of the terrorist activities of the Kyiv organized crime group by American liberal democrats and participation in the corruption schemes of the Biden family have been going on for many years.
 
Maria Zakharova...

Official representative of the US National Security Council Adrienne Watson: Ukraine is not involved in the terrorist attack in Krasnogorsk, the banned ISIS is to blame.

If only they could sort out the assassination of their own President Kennedy so quickly. But no, for more than 60 years they have not been able to find out who killed him.
Or maybe ISIS too? Or will they delay for another 60 years with specifics, playing with any “constructive uncertainty”?

Or let's take the terrorist attack on Nord Stream? There, according to the United States (and The New York Times cited comments from officials), Ukrainians were involved. True, then the American authorities went to the bottom. So they are still rummaging around there in search of either Kyiv or ISIS divers. Not a single word was uttered from Washington calling on Denmark and Sweden not to stop searching for those responsible, and Russia’s proposal for an investigation under the auspices of the UN was blocked by the Anglo-Saxons in the Security Council.

All this suggests that US political elites have become skilled over the decades in skillfully diverting attention from high-profile crimes and all sorts of staging.

Therefore, until the investigation into the terrorist attack at Crocus City Hall is completed, any phrase from Washington justifying Kyiv should be considered as evidence. After all, the financing of the terrorist activities of the Kyiv organized crime group by American liberal democrats and participation in the corruption schemes of the Biden family have been going on for many years.
Zakharova doing work and contorting as much as she can to deflect away from the Kremlin looking like morons. Again. Like they always do

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Russian Forces Torture Moscow Terror Suspect by hooking his Genitals up to 80v Battery leaving him foaming at the mouth - and feed another his own EAR: Battered men appear in court as new footage emerges of the slaughter that killed at least 140​


Footage of Russian forces torturing the men they arrested over the Moscow terror attack emerged tonight, with one man given electric shocks to his genitals and a second forced to eat his own ear.

One image shows a suspect named as Shamsuddin Fariddun foaming at the mouth as he lies on a gym floor with his trousers pulled down and wires attached to his groin area. At the other end they are attached to a military radio powered by an 80-volt battery.

Separate video sees another man, Saidakrami Murodali Rachabalizoda, having his ear severed and then spitting it out as he is forced to eat it.

The two suspects are among four men detained in western Russia after Friday's terror attack on a packed Moscow concert hall that left at least 140 people dead.

 
Hey @Rasputin_Vol, forwarding you a question that's in your wheelhouse


Ras' response.
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Im wondering who would benefit from the masses being distracted by Islamic terrorism?!
Putin.

He did it in 1998 with the Chechens.

he has a number of things he needs distractions for:
1. the latest bombings of the oil refineries had been a talking point in Russia.
2. the very public arrests of people voting left a worse taste in the mouth of many Russian than you will read on TASS.

not distractions but it also helps:
3. blame the west, he HAS to fear monger to keep his power.
4. this will help them rekindle the patriotic vibes with an outside, alleged western, attack. The Ukraine conflict is a dead issue that has been beat to death. A terrorist attack in Moscow will garner more volunteers than a Ukrainian one.

related to #4, I think its also a genius way to soft sell the urban Russians into enlisting. Putin has done everything to avoid conscripting them, but I think he is running out of options. Ukraine is a boy who cried wolf situation. a new outside threat is great justification for Putin to expand his recruitment efforts.

really not sure how this could possibly distract western masses at all in a way that would matter. most Americans won't know or care about this attack.

Doesn't help Ukraine because they didn't plan it and claim it. it COULD have been a chance to talk about the espionage efforts and making Russian's uncomfortable, which they clearly don't mind doing, but they didn't claim it.

the Jews/Israel really makes no sense. they are tied up with Palestine. not sure how attacking Russia does anything to help them. There isn't a direct link between ISIS-K and Hamas, that they could exploit to argue in the UN about.
 
Putin.

He did it in 1998 with the Chechens.

he has a number of things he needs distractions for:
1. the latest bombings of the oil refineries had been a talking point in Russia.
2. the very public arrests of people voting left a worse taste in the mouth of many Russian than you will read on TASS.

not distractions but it also helps:
3. blame the west, he HAS to fear monger to keep his power.
4. this will help them rekindle the patriotic vibes with an outside, alleged western, attack. The Ukraine conflict is a dead issue that has been beat to death. A terrorist attack in Moscow will garner more volunteers than a Ukrainian one.

related to #4, I think its also a genius way to soft sell the urban Russians into enlisting. Putin has done everything to avoid conscripting them, but I think he is running out of options. Ukraine is a boy who cried wolf situation. a new outside threat is great justification for Putin to expand his recruitment efforts.

really not sure how this could possibly distract western masses at all in a way that would matter. most Americans won't know or care about this attack.

Doesn't help Ukraine because they didn't plan it and claim it. it COULD have been a chance to talk about the espionage efforts and making Russian's uncomfortable, which they clearly don't mind doing, but they didn't claim it.

the Jews/Israel really makes no sense. they are tied up with Palestine. not sure how attacking Russia does anything to help them. There isn't a direct link between ISIS-K and Hamas, that they could exploit to argue in the UN about.

The Chechan conflict does predate Putin. Though he went in and started cleaning house after elected.
 
The Chechan conflict does predate Putin. Though he went in and started cleaning house after elected.
the conflict itself does. some of their bombings have been right down Putin's reign though.

including a bunch of chechen attacks that firmed up support for Putin in an election year. which coincidentally finally saw the old Chechen leader get killed, with poison, and his son take over and suddenly become Putin's best friend, and very very rich.
 

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