Saban should have stuck with Hurts!!

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PulaskiVolFan said:
Two Freshman competing for the QB position is not the same as a 26-2 veteran starter giving way to a hotshot Freshman.
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He opened the door and Tua kicked it in.

I just find the irony in your stance on transferring out and not staying and competing funny until you get to Hurts.

Had Bama blew up after the change you would have a point in Saban making a mistake with his QB decision. They didnt which destroys the idea.
 
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bamawriter said:
Not quite the same thing. Tua had Bama back within 1 score and had the offense in UGA territory when he got hurt. He didn't get pulled for poor performance.
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Results were the same and he got pulled because he got hurt. He played hurt last year as well. Tua has proven to be injury prone in college, Hurts hasn't. Another reason they should have kept Jalen the starter and Tua the backup.
 
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PulaskiVolFan said:
Results were the same and he got pulled because he got hurt. He played hurt last year as well. Tua has proven to be injury prone in college, Hurts hasn't. Another reason they should have kept Jalen the starter and Tua the backup.
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Tua's injury issue wasn't known when he beat Hurts out for the job.
 
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bamawriter said:
Tua's injury issue wasn't known when he beat Hurts out for the job.
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He was always considered to have a "bad body" for the position. It doesn't mean he will be injury prone in the NFL but Tua is small. Not many small QBs get it done winning championships in the NFL, it's been done but not much. His size and durability have always been a question mark I feel.
 
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PulaskiVolFan said:
He was always considered to have a "bad body" for the position. It doesn't mean he will be injury prone in the NFL but Tua is small. Not many small QBs get it done winning championships in the NFL, it's been done but not much. His size and durability have always been a question mark I feel.
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What's funny is if Saban had done what you're suggesting and stuck with Hurts, and Tua had left (which he 100% would have, and with good reason), and Jalen had suffered the same injury last year, and Mac Jones had been forced to start the LSU and Mississippi State games, there is no doubt whatsoever that you would have been here arguing that Saban was a fool to start Hurts and let Tua walk.

You are arguing against the opposite of Saban's decision because it's Saban. The details are irrelevant.
 
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PulaskiVolFan said:
Results were the same and he got pulled because he got hurt. He played hurt last year as well. Tua has proven to be injury prone in college, Hurts hasn't. Another reason they should have kept Jalen the starter and Tua the backup.
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So now Saban should have chosen Hurts because he knew Tua was going to be injury prone.

Should Hurts not have known Tua was going to be injury prone and stuck around?
 
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bamawriter said:
What's funny is if Saban had done what you're suggesting and stuck with Hurts, and Tua had left (which he 100% would have, and with good reason), and Jalen had suffered the same injury last year, and Mac Jones had been forced to start the LSU and Mississippi State games, there is no doubt whatsoever that you would have been here arguing that Saban was a fool to start Hurts and let Tua walk.

You are arguing against the opposite of Saban's decision because it's Saban. The details are irrelevant.
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I could care less about Saban. My whole argument was that today's entitled players think they deserve to play as Fr and transferring if they don't get early playing time is hurting the game. Alabama would have been better off with Hurts remaining the starter and Tua biding his time on the bench, the way it's always been done until today's type of players.
 
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PulaskiVolFan said:
He was always considered to have a "bad body" for the position. It doesn't mean he will be injury prone in the NFL but Tua is small. Not many small QBs get it done winning championships in the NFL, it's been done but not much. His size and durability have always been a question mark I feel.
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His size was questionable, because you're right, he isn't a big guy for the position (listed at 6'1'', 218). His durability really only became a question this year - I don't know how you know in advance of them even playing (like as a HS recruit) if someone is going to be injury-prone. The ankle sprain last year...it was a contact injury, could happen to anybody. But he got the same injury this year, and now of course this severe hip injury.

Did he deal with injuries in high school too?
 
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PulaskiVolFan said:
I could care less about Saban. My whole argument was that today's entitled players think they deserve to play as Fr and transferring if they don't get early playing time is hurting the game. Alabama would have been better off with Hurts remaining the starter and Tua biding his time on the bench, the way it's always been done until today's type of players.
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It's not "today's type of players," it's the nature of the game. Situations like Steve Young and Aaron Rodgers don't happen anymore in the modern NFL. QBs who get picked early have to be ready to take the first snap of their rookie seasons. NFL teams want as much film as possible, and these guys can't afford to sit 3/4 of their college careers.

You don't have to like it, but it's reality. If a guy as options, he is going to exercise them, and well he should.
 
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05_never_again said:
His size was questionable, because you're right, he isn't a big guy for the position (listed at 6'1'', 218). His durability really only became a question this year - I don't know how you know in advance of them even playing (like as a HS recruit) if someone is going to be injury-prone. The ankle sprain last year...it was a contact injury, could happen to anybody. But he got the same injury this year, and now of course this severe hip injury.

Did he deal with injuries in high school too?
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It's impossible I think to project someone as injury prone but coaches and scouts always take body size and strength into account when recruiting. His +'s have always been greater than his minuses. My point is that historically coaches go with veteran leadership over young talent when the talent between the 2 is very similar. Saban went with youth and I think they are much worse off now than they would be had they stuck with their veteran QB who was 26-2 and easily one of the best producing QBs in college. I think "you should ride the horse home that you rode to the party". There is no reason to believe that Hurts would not been just as successful as Tua the last 2 seasons.
 
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bamawriter said:
It's not "today's type of players," it's the nature of the game. Situations like Steve Young and Aaron Rodgers don't happen anymore in the modern NFL. QBs who get picked early have to be ready to take the first snap of their rookie seasons. NFL teams want as much film as possible, and these guys can't afford to sit 3/4 of their college careers.

You don't have to like it, but it's reality. If a guy as options, he is going to exercise them, and well he should.
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Tua would be the same prospect in 2 years as he is today had he waited it out, maybe even better.
 
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PulaskiVolFan said:
It's impossible I think to project someone as injury prone but coaches and scouts always take body size and strength into account when recruiting. His +'s have always been greater than his minuses. My point is that historically coaches go with veteran leadership over young talent when the talent between the 2 is very similar. Saban went with youth and I think they are much worse off now than they would be had they stuck with their veteran QB who was 26-2 and easily one of the best producing QBs in college. I think "you should ride the horse home that you rode to the party". There is no reason to believe that Hurts would not been just as successful as Tua the last 2 seasons.
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I think Alabama's 2019 and 2018 seasons are exactly the same with either Tua or Hurts, and they don't win that 2017 title game without Tua coming off the bench.

The irony is that Tua is far and away the best QB Saban has ever had, but Saban isn't going to win a title with Tua having been the starter from the beginning to end of a season. They won the title in 2017 with Tua playing in regular season garbage time and then coming off the bench in the second half of the title game itself. They lost in the title game in 2018. If they win the title in 2019, it's going to be with Mac Jones the last 2.5 games of the regular season and in the playoff (if they get in).

Just goes to show you that stuff doesn't always turn out how everybody thinks, and you can't read too much into small sample sizes. After the 2017 title game comeback, people wanted to hand Alabama the next 2 titles and Tua the next 2 Heismans. Neither happened. After the 2018 title game, everybody wanted to hand Clemson the next 2 titles and Lawrence the next 2 Heismans. It appears highly unlikely at this point that both of those things will happen...TL definitely isn't getting the Heisman this year, at least.
 
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