SAN FRANCISCO: Shoplifting SKYROCKETS , Criminals Aren't Being Arrested Anymore, Stores CLOSING

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rekinhavoc said:
Whole Foods in San Francisco closing one year after opening due to safety concerns: report
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I was just talking with someone else about the situation in San Francisco. I wonder if there isn't an opportunity to repurpose unused corporate real estate in addressing the homeless population. It's a very complex issue and much more has to be done, but it could be a start.
 
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gcbvol said:
I was just talking with someone else about the situation in San Francisco. I wonder if there isn't an opportunity to repurpose unused corporate real estate in addressing the homeless population. It's a very complex issue and much more has to be done, but it could be a start.
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Am I the only one that thinks the solution to these homeless problem is not to “give” them a home but to provide a job opportunity that will keep them busy and income that will find a place to live
 
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Wireless1 said:
Am I the only one that thinks the solution to these homeless problem is not to “give” them a home but to provide a job opportunity that will keep them busy and income that will find a place to live
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Some of them are too whacked out to even work at McDonald’s.. and a lot of them are on drugs.. they almost need to open an inpatient psychiatric hospital and I hate to say it, but just keep them there.. normal people should be able to walk around and not be accosted or step on needles or poo.. I worked in a behavioral hospital and what you see there is what I saw as inpatient clients..a fraction you could probably rehab.. but others have given themselves permanent thiamine deficiency/ brain damage more than likely and that’s their ‘baseline’ unfortunately.. what I find to be the most sad is where are these people’s families? (and yes, I know abusive situations.. or they are on drugs and their family got sick of them)..but do you not have one soul that cares about you? Psych patients are sometimes hard to love lol..Also sometimes homeless people don’t want help.. Nashville had a program where they tried to get people on their feet and out of public parks.. and were met with ‘no, this is how I want to live’ smh… sigh..
 
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Wireless1 said:
Am I the only one that thinks the solution to these homeless problem is not to “give” them a home but to provide a job opportunity that will keep them busy and income that will find a place to live
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I think that's absolutely part of addressing the problem, but getting them off the streets and into quality shelter is another. It's a complicated issue requiring a multi-process approach.
 
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Wireless1 said:
Am I the only one that thinks the solution to these homeless problem is not to “give” them a home but to provide a job opportunity that will keep them busy and income that will find a place to live
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No job opportunities isn't the problem for a good deal of them.

I think we can get pretty creative about how to make homelessness better for everyone, not that I claim to have the answers. I think too many people look at it like we need to fix the person or fix a specific problem for the person, but so many of them are homeless for reasons that are not really fixable. A job that can't be held down by a schizo is not going to make any difference.
 
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n_huffhines said:
No job opportunities isn't the problem for a good deal of them.

I think we can get pretty creative about how to make homelessness better for everyone, not that I claim to have the answers. I think too many people look at it like we need to fix the person or fix a specific problem for the person, but so many of them are homeless for reasons that are not really fixable. A job that can't be held down by a schizo is not going to make any difference.
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Maybe stop paving over arable land, put homeless to work on raising crops for themselves and the surplus going to local stores. Nice healthy lifestyle, a roof overhead, food to eat, teach them to weave too, to make their own clothing. Just wild thinking on my part. I think the Mormons actually have something like this for poverty-struck members.
 
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WoodsmanVol said:
Maybe stop paving over arable land, put homeless to work on raising crops for themselves and the surplus going to local stores. Nice healthy lifestyle, a roof overhead, food to eat, teach them to weave too, to make their own clothing. Just wild thinking on my part. I think the Mormons actually have something like this for poverty-struck members.
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They have to be willing to work for your plan to have any validity. Unfortunatley, its not the world we live in. Definitely sounds good on paper though.
 
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jp1 said:
They have to be willing to work for your plan to have any validity. Unfortunatley, its not the world we live in. Definitely sounds good on paper though.
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Yes, a good idea and should be tried, but most homeless people have serious alcohol/drug addiction problems, and/or mental problems, and so those issues would have to be dealt with. Also, I think the homeless would have to agree to any plan, and that might prove difficult with many of them. I don't think you can just force people into programs. But new ideas are needed.
 
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turbovol said:
Yes, a good idea and should be tried, but most homeless people have serious alcohol/drug addiction problems, and/or mental problems, and so those issues would have to be dealt with. Also, I think the homeless would have to agree to any plan, and that might prove difficult with many of them. I don't think you can just force people into programs. But new ideas are needed.
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If society provides enough for the homeless to survive with a level of comfort that the homeless find acceptable, then we'll have homelessness. The better we make it the more people will find homelessness acceptable.
 
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Wireless1 said:
If society provides enough for the homeless to survive with a level of comfort that the homeless find acceptable, then we'll have homelessness. The better we make it the more people will find homelessness acceptable.
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A lot of the complaints are that shelters don't let them have dogs (duh, they bite people and people are allergic)..and they like that 'freedom' otherwise known as 'I want drugs'...from someone I know that works with the homeless and is a very kind-hearted person, it is exhausting because it is like dealing with a bunch of petulant two year olds sometimes...there are the occasional exceptions, domestic abuse situation, but they tend to go to a women's shelter and they are usually cases easier to facilitate (and actually not as frequent to the general homeless population)..they typically don't want to be a part of that, especially if there are kids involved...those are the folks to help imo..those who are amenable to it...the rest, idk what the answer is except putting them somewhere out of the way (but that may make it even more enticing lol)
 
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volinbham said:
I've been to San Francisco 3 or 4 times. The last time the homeless problem was terrible. Very aggressive panhandling. Fortunately it was before it got really bad and the poop problem wasn't an issue. Beautiful city but clearly could be run better.
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San Francisco is an amazing city, but it absolutely needs to be cleaned up. The insane CoL is a major contributor and that's not likely to change anytime soon.
 
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Wireless1 said:
Am I the only one that thinks the solution to these homeless problem is not to “give” them a home but to provide a job opportunity that will keep them busy and income that will find a place to live
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Putting the mentally ill and recovering junkies to work en masse is an even more complicated issue.
 
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gcbvol said:
San Francisco is an amazing city, but it absolutely needs to be cleaned up. The insane CoL is a major contributor and that's not likely to change anytime soon.
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The high cost of living there isn't some recent development. I attended a training class in San Jose about 40 years ago and one of my classmates was a woman that lived nearby in SF. She was bragging about finding a 2 bedroom, 1 bath, 40 year old house that was about 1000 square feet for only $225k. I had recently bought my first house for a little over $42k brand new in TN that was about the same size.

I never understood the reasoning for the high prices in California. Yeah, they pay more in wages, but everything there costs more too.
 
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Gov. Newsom directs National Guard to help combat San Francisco's fentanyl crisis

California Gov. Gavin Newsom has directed the National Guard and California Highway Patrol to help combat San Francisco's fentanyl trafficking crisis.

On Friday, Newsom announced an effort to have both agencies assist local authorities to address the rise in fentanyl use.

The agreement will focus on "dismantling fentanyl trafficking and disrupting the supply of the deadly drug in the city by holding the operators of large-scale drug trafficking operations accountable," the Democratic governor's office said.


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Gov. Newsom directs National Guard to help combat San Francisco's fentanyl crisis
 
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There is a great need among rural folks to point out the problems in big cities. I've lived in big cities for a good part of my life, and I'm
familiar with rural America. I'll take a city any day. Take a look at 'per capita' crime: it's as bad or worse in small towns/counties as in major cities.

There are homeless in cities because, first, there are a lot of people in cities; and second, because cities are expensive. If you live in rural America and get into financial trouble, you spend a small sum and join the many country people who live in trailers. If all the people in rural America who live in trailers had to move to a city, they'd be homeless.
 
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turbovol said:
There is a great need among rural folks to point out the problems in big cities. I've lived in big cities for a good part of my life, and I'm
familiar with rural America. I'll take a city any day. Take a look at 'per capita' crime: it's as bad or worse in small towns/counties as in major cities.

There are homeless in cities because, first, there are a lot of people in cities; and second, because cities are expensive. If you live in rural America and get into financial trouble, you spend a small sum and join the many country people who live in trailers. If all the people in rural America who live in trailers had to move to a city, they'd be homeless.
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You make a lot of assumptions on things that you clearly know very little about.
 
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turbovol said:
There is a great need among rural folks to point out the problems in big cities. I've lived in big cities for a good part of my life, and I'm
familiar with rural America. I'll take a city any day. Take a look at 'per capita' crime: it's as bad or worse in small towns/counties as in major cities.

There are homeless in cities because, first, there are a lot of people in cities; and second, because cities are expensive. If you live in rural America and get into financial trouble, you spend a small sum and join the many country people who live in trailers. If all the people in rural America who live in trailers had to move to a city, they'd be homeless.
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Per capita is still worse in the cities. Idk where you’re getting this idea.
 
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