Sanctuary Cities

#679
#679
whodeycin85 said:
What's the Constitution say about foreign invaders? Who handles that?
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That's the federal govts job and like most things the Fed is supposed to do they are failing at it. Now you want them to federalize the NG and send them into the cities to round up illegals?
 
#681
#681
hog88 said:
That's the federal govts job and like most things the Fed is supposed to do they are failing at it. Now you want them to federalize the NG and send them into the cities to round up illegals?
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I'm not sure how to go about having millions of illegal foreign invaders on US soil. I was asking because of that is the under the Fed job..then what avenues do they have...would you be ok with the army etc instead of the NG?
 
#683
#683
whodeycin85 said:
I'm not sure how to go about having millions of illegal foreign invaders on US soil. I was asking because of that is the under the Fed job..then what avenues do they have...would you be ok with the army etc instead of the NG?
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No I wouldn't be ok with the Army policing US streets.

If a governor wants to call up their NG to assist local/state police in rounding up illegals great, they have the power to do that without violating posse comitatus. The federal government has no business doing so.
 
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#685
#685
hog88 said:
No I wouldn't be ok with the Army policing US streets.

If a governor wants to call up their NG to assist local/state police in rounding up illegals great, they have the power to do that without violating posse comitatus. The federal government has no business doing so.
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This is where the confusion for me comes in...if these are viewed as foreign invaders then it's under the feds, but your wanting the States to handle it...states tried and were shot down in court trying to fix it..making this all the more a fed issue not a state according to the court cases
 
#690
#690
hog88 said:
What about my argument has changed? The military is not a police force and has no business acting as one.
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First you worrie about militarized zones, which was ridiculous. Now you say the military isnt a police force, which is also ridiculous because they wont be acting as a police force. They would be rounding up criminal illegals because local law enforcement doesnt have to assist and in most sanctuary cities, wouldnt assist.
 
#691
#691
GroverCleveland said:
It is against the law anyway. Posse Comitatus Act of 1878. The military is excluded from law enforcement within the US.

EDIT: Saw @hog88 had already brought this up.
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This is the part that seem open for interpretation...

The President may employ the armed forces ... to ... restore public order and enforce the laws of the United States when, as a result of a natural disaster, epidemic, or other serious public health emergency, terrorist attack or incident, or other condition ...the President determines that ... domestic violence has occurred to such an extent that the constituted authorities of the State or possession are incapable of maintaining public order ... or [to] suppress, in a State, any insurrection, domestic violence, unlawful combination, or conspiracy if such ... a condition ... so hinders the execution of the laws
 
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#692
volgr said:
First you worrie about militarized zones, which was ridiculous. Now you say the military isnt a police force, which is also ridiculous because they wont be acting as a police force. They would be rounding up criminal illegals because local law enforcement doesnt have to assist and in most sanctuary cities, wouldnt assist.
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The military isn't going to be acting as a police force yet will be rounding up criminals? Sounds a lot like a militarized zone with the military acting as law enforcement.
 
#693
#693
whodeycin85 said:
This is the part that seem open for interpretation...

The President may employ the armed forces ... to ... restore public order and enforce the laws of the United States when, as a result of a natural disaster, epidemic, or other serious public health emergency, terrorist attack or incident, or other condition ...the President determines that ... domestic violence has occurred to such an extent that the constituted authorities of the State or possession are incapable of maintaining public order ... or [to] suppress, in a State, any insurrection, domestic violence, unlawful combination, or conspiracy if such ... a condition ... so hinders the execution of the laws
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The military can provide logistics, aid and material but still cannot act as a police force.
 
#696
#696
hog88 said:
The military can provide logistics, aid and material but still cannot act as a police force.
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I guess that is determined by whether the illegals are deemed a foreign invading force or not . They There is a lot of open interpretation there...also the part about states being incapable of maintaining public order...there is a lot of wiggle room
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#697
#697
hog88 said:
Funny thing is some of these people advocating for the military to get involved claim to be small government conservatives.
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Yes. I get queasy with the idea of the military policing the streets outside of declared martial law. Well queasy about that as well.
 
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#699
#699
volgr said:
It is when you are dealing with dangerous illegal alien criminals and gang members. You keep changing your argument and so far all of them are dumb. What is your next one?
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you are the one all over the place.

you say its not a militarized zone, but you are calling for the military to direct, violent acts against foreign invaders. that sounds entirely like a militarized act.
 
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#700
#700
volgr said:
It isnt policing. It would be carrying out Federal arrest warrants.
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what the eff else would you call that? You know who carries out arrest warrants? The police.

and if it isn't a policing action. and its not a militarized action. what WOULD you call it?
 
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