Sanders Takes Fall for Fulmer.

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I truly believe Fulmer will get it turned around. The guy has done nothing but win games since he has taken over. Not to mention the National Championship in 1998-1999. It might not be against Notre Dame or this year but he'll get it done.
 
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This is just an outsider's perspective, and a relatively uninformed one when it comes to UT, so take this with an appropriate grain of salt.

What seemed to me to the be the three biggest problems for the offense were 1) settling the QB issue; 2) lack of imagination in the offensive scheme. (As opposed, by the way, to bad play calling. The scheme seemed to lack even the option for a lot of downfield plays. Play calling can't do much if the repertoire of available plays is too slim); 3) poor execution on passing plays.

These problems are all interrelated, or course. So who, if anyone, is at fault for these problems? In a typical program, I would think it would be the OC. But, I keep reading on here that Fulmer micromanaged the offense. Is that true? And, even if it is, do you think that whoever they get to replace Sanders will be given freer reign once he signs on?

 
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Originally posted by HoosierVol4@Nov 1, 2005 11:05 AM
I truly believe Fulmer will get it turned around.  The guy has done nothing but win games since he has taken over.  Not to mention the National Championship in 1998-1999.  It might not be against Notre Dame or this year but he'll get it done.
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I agree with you hoosier. This is not a good time in the Vl nation. But we will overcome this and things will be good.
 
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Originally posted by VolBeef88@Nov 1, 2005 10:57 AM
bammer fans around the nation thank VOL fans who are ignorant of football like yourself.
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So now you resort to name-calling because someone has a different opinion than you do. This is the same situation that Majors was in when Fulmer went behind his back and took his job. The only difference is back then we had an Athletic Director with balls. Call me ignorant if you want to. That does not bother me in the least. I graduated from UTK in 1978 and have been following the Vols since 1960. Your kind of thinking will prolong the inevitable for 1 or 2 more years. Hamilton will fire Fulmer in 06 or 07 to save his own ass. Dickey would have done it after the USC game like he did in '92.
 
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Originally posted by HoosierVol4@Nov 1, 2005 11:05 AM
I truly believe Fulmer will get it turned around.  The guy has done nothing but win games since he has taken over.  Not to mention the National Championship in 1998-1999.  It might not be against Notre Dame or this year but he'll get it done.
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I think you are right.. Hopefully Pat Washington and Jimmy Ray Stephens will follow suit at the end of the year...The developement of offensive talent started to deteriorate when Cutt left for OM...
 
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Originally posted by volunteer04@Nov 1, 2005 10:54 AM
Because Fulmer has lost the discipline of his players.  He has assigned that to someone else also.  He has someone else to blame for everything.  It is Fulmer's ship and it has sunk.  He should be a man and take the blame.  It is time for a change, just like it was in 1992.  Wake up!
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Did the defensive players lose thier discipline? No they did not. If you are going to fault Fulmer for "losing the discipline" of his offensive players then you also have to give him credit for the way the defense has played since it is "his ship". Since only one side of the ball has "lost discipline" and the whole team is "his ship" it does not make alot of sense to me how only half of the team "lost discipline" if it was all Fulmer's fault. The man has won a lot of games at this University including a NC and to say "the ship has sunk" based on ONE horrible year is ridiculous. Yes thier have been a couple of down years including 2002 and 1999 but thier have been a lot more great years than dissapointing ones under CPF. If this continues for the next couple of seasons the fire Fulmer discussions will be warranted but at this point it is just plain stupid.
 
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All I know is that RS is gone I wish CPF would go with him, and while we are at it let's pack up Bob Keasling's things get him the heck out of Knoxville and let's go find us someone who knows how to call a football game!!!
 
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I think all you guys who believe by firing Sanders we are going to see a change in the philosophy on offense, or a change to the scheme, or a change in the play calling are going to be disappointed.

Sanders, has said on different occasions as delicately as he can, that this is the scheme that Fulmer wants to run on offense, and is not necessarily what he would be running if he was given a free hand.

The only real fault I have with Sanders is as a qb coach. Casey Clausen seemed a very heady qb, but the development of Ainge for whatever reason was lacking.
 
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Originally posted by holdemvol@Nov 1, 2005 11:17 AM
Did the defensive players lose thier discipline?  No they did not.  If you are going to fault Fulmer for "losing the discipline" of his offensive players then you also have to give him credit for the way the defense has played since it is "his ship".  Since only one side of the ball has "lost discipline" and the whole team is "his ship" it does not make alot of sense to me how only half of the team "lost discipline" if it was all Fulmer's fault.  The man has won a lot of games at this University including a NC and to say "the ship has sunk" based on ONE horrible year is ridiculous.  Yes thier have been a couple of down years including 2002 and 1999 but thier have been a lot more great years than dissapointing ones under CPF.  If this continues for the next couple of seasons the fire Fulmer discussions will be warranted but at this point it is just plain stupid.
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I did not say half of the team lost dicipline. I said Fulmer has lost dicipline over the team.
 
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By the way, for all of you who want a change at HC, you need to take a look at some other major programs that have gone through changes recently such as FLA and Nebraska. Be careful what you wish for.
 
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Originally posted by volunteer04@Nov 1, 2005 11:20 AM
I did not say half of the team lost dicipline.  I said Fulmer has lost dicipline over the team.
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OK, so the defensive players have lost discipline also? If so, you just threw your whole argument right out the window. If the problem is a lack of discipline over the WHOLE team, how has the defense played so well? I agree that a lack of discipline has played a role in the downfall of the offense, but if you are going to pin that on the head coach I want an explanation of how it has not been a problem for the defense.
 
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Originally posted by oklavol@Nov 1, 2005 11:18 AM
I think all you guys who believe by firing Sanders we are going to see a change in the philosophy on offense, or a change to the scheme, or a change in the play calling are going to be disappointed.

Sanders, has said on different occasions as delicately as he can, that this is the scheme that Fulmer wants to run on offense, and is not necessarily what he would be running if he was given a free hand.

The only real fault I have with Sanders is as a qb coach. Casey Clausen seemed a very heady qb, but the development of Ainge for whatever reason was lacking.
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Possibly the lack of Ainge development has been the constant rotation of QBs. If you think about it honestly, neither of them has been really given the long term opportunity to develop leadership of the offense. Who would you say was calling the shots on constantly changing QBs? Coach Sanders or Coach Fulmer? Could that have something to do with the offensive performance this season?
 
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Originally posted by oklavol@Nov 1, 2005 11:18 AM
I think all you guys who believe by firing Sanders we are going to see a change in the philosophy on offense, or a change to the scheme, or a change in the play calling are going to be disappointed.

Sanders, has said on different occasions as delicately as he can, that this is the scheme that Fulmer wants to run on offense, and is not necessarily what he would be running if he was given a free hand.

The only real fault I have with Sanders is as a qb coach. Casey Clausen seemed a very heady qb, but the development of Ainge for whatever reason was lacking.
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Sanders did not get fired, he resigned. You hit the nail on the head. Sanders could not develop a QB the way Cut developed the Mannings. Brandon Stewart and Peyton were running head to head the first 3 or 4 games their Freshman year and then Cut gave the ball to Peyton. After that it was history. Archie knew who the real coach was and that is why Eli went to Ole Miss. Sanders does not do as good a job as Cut did of bringing QB's along in the progression process. The reason Casey Clausen did well is he was not having to look over his shoulder.

At least we learned yesterday that this is Randy's ship and not Phil's.
 
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Originally posted by holdemvol@Nov 1, 2005 11:24 AM
OK, so the defensive players have lost discipline also?  If so, you just threw your whole argument right out the window.  If the problem is a lack of discipline over the WHOLE team, how has the defense played so well?  I agree that a lack of discipline has played a role in the downfall of the offense, but if you are going to pin that on the head coach I want an explanation of how it has not been a problem for the defense.
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Because Chavis is doing Phil's dicipline job for him. He chews ass after a D player makes a mistake. Phil claps after an O player makes a mistake and tells them it's alright.
 
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Originally posted by volunteer04@Nov 1, 2005 11:32 AM
Sanders did not get fired,  he resigned.  You hit the nail on the head.  Sanders could not develop a QB the way Cut developed the Mannings.  Brandon Stewart and Peyton were running head to head the first 3 or 4 games their Freshman year and then Cut gave the ball to Peyton.  After that it was history.  Archie knew who the real coach was and that is why Eli went to Ole Miss.  Sanders does not do as good a job as Cut did of bringing QB's along in the progression process.  The reason Casey Clausen did well is he was not having to look over his shoulder.

At least we learned yesterday that this is Randy's ship and not Phil's.
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CRS meant the O was his ship. If your going to hate on the CPF then at least sound a little smart.
 
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Originally posted by VolBeef88@Nov 1, 2005 11:38 AM
CRS meant the O was his ship. If your going to hate on the CPF then at least sound a little smart.
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And if Phil was not a COWARD he would have stepped up to the microphone and said "No, Randy this is my ship".
 
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Originally posted by volunteer04@Nov 1, 2005 11:37 AM
Because Chavis is doing Phil's dicipline job for him.  He chews ass after a D player makes a mistake.  Phil claps after an O player makes a mistake and tells them it's alright.
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I knew that was coming. So Chavis,( the DC )gets credit for the discipline over the D, but the offensive problems were not Sanders'(the OC) fault, they were Fulmer's. That makes no sense whatsoever. You want to have your cake and eat it too and that just does not work, my friend.
 
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Originally posted by volunteer04@Nov 1, 2005 11:40 AM
And if Phil was not a COWARD he would have stepped up to the microphone and said "No, Randy this is my ship".
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What good would that do? Randy resigned, Fulmer accepted it. Get over it.
 
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Originally posted by holdemvol@Nov 1, 2005 11:41 AM
I knew that was coming.  So Chavis,( the DC )gets credit for the discipline over the D, but the offensive problems were not Sanders'(the OC) fault, they were Fulmer's.  That makes no sense whatsoever.  You want to have your cake and eat it too and that just does not work, my friend.
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holdm you ae trying to use logic with the emotional. How dare you use logic and facts to establish your train of thought! Don't you know that we should come in and clean house so a FEW emotional fans can "feel" better.
 
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Originally posted by holdemvol@Nov 1, 2005 11:41 AM
I knew that was coming.  So Chavis,( the DC )gets credit for the discipline over the D, but the offensive problems were not Sanders'(the OC) fault, they were Fulmer's.  That makes no sense whatsoever.  You want to have your cake and eat it too and that just does not work, my friend.
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Right, Chavis did his own dicipline on the D because he saw Fulmer was not goint to. Neither Sanders or Fulmer chewed any O ass. Fulmer should have stepped in and chewed ass instead of clapping after each mistake. After all isn't the team his ship? Or is it Sanders' ship?
Fulmer has been too nice and it is going to lose his job over it. Deal with it. It's over.
 
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Originally posted by holdemvol@Nov 1, 2005 11:47 AM
Sorry, what was I thinking?
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You were thinking the team was Phil's ship like the rest of us did.

We found out yesterday that the team is not Phil's ship.
 
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Originally posted by Orangewhiteblood@Nov 1, 2005 11:44 AM
What good would that do?  Randy resigned, Fulmer accepted it.  Get over it.
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It would have made him look like a man to the rest of the team. It will come back and bite him in the ass.
 
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Bottom line guys this is Fulmers team, he has said all year they are working like heck to get it better when its been getting worse. He is the main one to blame and he knows it. Yes he is a coward by letting Randy take the heat for him. Thanks Randy now Phil will be here forever. Some things will never change.
 
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Originally posted by volunteer04@Nov 1, 2005 11:51 AM
You were thinking the team was Phil's ship like the rest of us did. 

We found out yesterday that the team is not Phil's ship.
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I swear you are a bammer in disguise. There is no way an alumni from MY, UT (I am a grad of UTK) could be this ignorant and emotionally unstable.


shhhhh, what was that? 04 did you hear that helicopter?
 
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