Sanders Takes Fall for Fulmer.

[OWB]

Sometimes it takes a bigger man to realize and admit that things aren't going well and do something to change it. Fulmer and Sanders are great friends and have worked with each other for a long time. You make it sound like Fulmer hung him out to dry. That's not the case. Sometimes you have to do what's best for the program.

 

[VolBeef88]

Originally posted by bleedingorange@Nov 1, 2005 11:54 AM
Bottom line guys this is Fulmers team, he has said all year they are working like heck to get it better when its been getting worse. He is the main one to blame and he knows it.  Yes he is a coward by letting Randy take the heat for him. Thanks Randy now Phil will be here forever. Some things will never change.

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The O is and has been struggling so with pressure I'm sure the O coodinator resigned. That is what happens at big time schools. geez

 

[vol75]

I agree with volunteer04. Discipline is lacking on offense, and always has. The offensive players run around that campus like the are untouchable. When I attended UT, most of the offensive players caused a lot of trouble that never made the news. I remember when J. Lewis and some more of the offense came to my dorm to try and beat up one of my friends for something petty as looking at him in disrespect. I have seen it first hand Fulmer does not know what discipline is.

On another note, I never called for RS's head because I have always known that he runs the offense that Fulmer and the Big Time Alumni wants.

 

[VOLracerx]

I agree OWB but it just doesn't seem right - you know???

 

[volunteer04]

Originally posted by bleedingorange@Nov 1, 2005 11:54 AM
Bottom line guys this is Fulmers team, he has said all year they are working like heck to get it better when its been getting worse. He is the main one to blame and he knows it.  Yes he is a coward by letting Randy take the heat for him. Thanks Randy now Phil will be here forever. Some things will never change.

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Thank you for shedding light on a topic that some die-hards are unwilling to admit. Fulmer is done. Don't wait 1 or 2 more years. He was the OC for Majors and really has been the OC since Cut left. Sanders was a yes man for Phil. Phil is a conservative OC and his style doesn't work in the SEC anymore. Look what Spurrier did with his Soph QB this year. We need a HC that will open it up.

 

[holdemvol]

Originally posted by volunteer04@Nov 1, 2005 11:46 AM
Right,  Chavis did his own dicipline on the D because he saw Fulmer was not goint to.  Neither Sanders or Fulmer chewed any O ass.  Fulmer should have stepped in and chewed ass instead of clapping after each mistake.  After all isn't the team his ship?  Or is it Sanders' ship?
Fulmer has been too nice and it is going to lose his job over it.  Deal with it.  It's over.

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Welcome to the board Mr. Hamilton! I didn't realize you had already made up you mind to fire Mr. Fulmer. When was it coach Chavis told you he chewed ass because Fulmer wouldn't Mike? Again, I don't understand how when anything good happens it is because of everyone but Fulmer, but when things are bad everything is his fault. Fulmer is responsible for the entire team ultimately good and bad and like I said, if the offensive problems and losing continue in the next couple of seasons the HC change issue should be addressed, but until then CPF has earned the right to have a chance to get this thing turned back around. Need I remind you that this is the same guy who won 10 games just last year with one of the youngest teams in the SEC? I guess that must have just been the Coordinators chewing ass, right?

 

[bleedingorange]

Well 04 not everyone thought the whole blame game should go on RS.

 

[VolBeef88]

Originally posted by holdemvol@Nov 1, 2005 12:00 PM
Welcome to the board Mr. Hamilton!  I didn't realize you had already made up you mind to fire Mr. Fulmer.  When was it coach Chavis told you he chewed ass because Fulmer wouldn't Mike?  Again, I don't understand how when anything good happens it is because of everyone but Fulmer, but when things are bad everything is his fault.  Fulmer is responsible for the entire team ultimately good and bad and like I said, if the offensive problems and losing continue in the next couple of seasons the HC change issue should be addressed, but until then CPF has earned the right to have a chance to get this thing turned back around.  Need I remind you that this is the same guy who won 10 games just last year with one of the youngest teams in the SEC?  I guess that must have just been the Coordinators chewing ass, right?

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Of course it was holdem. didn't you know that chewing a kid out is all it takes to be a great coach. Come on man don't you know anything! lol

 

[vol75]

Originally posted by VolBeef88@Nov 1, 2005 12:06 PM
Of course it was holdem. didn't you know that chewing a kid out is all it takes to be a great coach. Come on man don't you know anything! lol

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Every great coach should know what it takes to get each individual player motivated to do their job correctly. Some may require just a talking to while others may need an up close and personal approach.

 

[volunteer04]

Originally posted by VolBeef88@Nov 1, 2005 11:54 AM
I swear you are a bammer in disguise. There is no way an alumni from MY, UT (I am a grad of UTK) could be this ignorant and emotionally unstable.
shhhhh, what was that? 04 did you hear that helicopter?

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Call someone that doesn't agree with you ignorant if you want to. So what.

Lived in Clement Hall Freshman year. Ate at Sophies Cafeteria every day next door.
Soph lived in house on 1400 block on Clinch Ave. Maybe had a keg party or two.
Last 2 years lived in house on 19th st. 2 blocks from the strip. Definately had a keg party or 2. It's a parking lot now.
Went to Good Times Deli 2am after studying pretty regular.
Majored in business, they tore Glocker down and are rebuinding now.
How about you??

I remember when Bobby Majors would go back deep for a punt return and you always had the feeling that he was going to get to the wall and return it all the way. Or on a kickoff when Stanley Morgan or Willie Gault would return it they were good for 40 yards or better. Now we just hope no one goes back to receive a punt or doesn't return the kickoff because they will fumble it or we will block in the back and start from the 5 yard line.
False Starts, Fumbles, Blocking in the back, Special Teams worst in History, Who's ship is that?

 

[bleedingorange]

Tell him 04!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[VolBeef88]

Originally posted by volunteer04@Nov 1, 2005 12:13 PM
Call someone that doesn't agree with you ignorant if you want to.  So what.

Lived in Clement Hall Freshman year.  Ate at Sophies Cafeteria every day next door.
Soph lived in house on 1400 block on Clinch Ave.  Maybe had a keg party or two.
Last 2 years lived in house on 19th st. 2 blocks from the strip.  Definately had a keg party or 2.  It's a parking lot now.
Went to Good Times Deli 2am after studying pretty regular.
Majored in business, they tore Glocker down and are rebuinding now.
How about you??

I remember when Bobby Majors would go back deep for a punt return and you always had the feeling that he was going to get to the wall and return it all the way.  Or on a kickoff when Stanley Morgan or Willie Gault would return it they were good for 40 yards or better.  Now we just hope no one goes back to receive a punt or doesn't return the kickoff because they will fumble it or we will block in the back and start from the 5 yard line.
False Starts, Fumbles, Blocking in the back, Special Teams worst in History,  Who's ship is that?

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Don't sound like a bammer and I won't use that dirty word. Of course there are bad plays being made. If there were none then RS would not have resigned. Those bad plays make for a bad year. But to say that our head coach is a coward offends me greatly! I don't think he is and neither do his players or his former players. I think Peyton is a pretty good judge and he sings CPF praises. I will take his opinion over most who "think" they know what is going on any day of the week.

 

[VolBeef88]

Originally posted by bleedingorange@Nov 1, 2005 12:16 PM
Tell him 04!!!!!!!!!!!!

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So you got yoru pom poms out and are now the chearleeder!

 

[BigPapaVol]

Originally posted by holdemvol@Nov 1, 2005 11:17 AM
Did the defensive players lose thier discipline?  No they did not.  If you are going to fault Fulmer for "losing the discipline" of his offensive players then you also have to give him credit for the way the defense has played since it is "his ship".  Since only one side of the ball has "lost discipline" and the whole team is "his ship" it does not make alot of sense to me how only half of the team "lost discipline" if it was all Fulmer's fault.  The man has won a lot of games at this University including a NC and to say "the ship has sunk" based on ONE horrible year is ridiculous.  Yes thier have been a couple of down years including 2002 and 1999 but thier have been a lot more great years than dissapointing ones under CPF.  If this continues for the next couple of seasons the fire Fulmer discussions will be warranted but at this point it is just plain stupid.

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Please tell me that you are not trying to imply that there is any semblance of discipline to be found somewhere in the football program.

We have more arrests / off-field problems than any current program. We are one of the most penalized teams in the country year in and year out. We visibly talk more trash than any team I can recall. The defense is no exception here just because it is the most talented in the nation. In fact, we get less out of the most talent as per usual and our excuse is that Fulmer is a "players' coach." In my mind, that is code for void of any discipline whatsoever.

I think if you take a hard look, we are the current thugs of college ball. Many long term great recruiting programs have gone through this because they are willing to overlook problems to have the talent. Some programs don't take the players and have down periods. I would prefer the down years to the reputation that we have garnered with our perennial top recruiting classes.

 

[bleedingorange]

u know what u can do

 

[volunteer04]

From the Dailey Beacon. Evidently they must have a bammer writing for them. Say what 88?

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Daily Beacon

"It doesn’t matter who replaces Sanders. The face of the offense will change, but the results will not. At least not as long as the evidence of offensive ineptitude has Fulmer’s fingerprints all over it.

Take, for example, his idea for calling plays the rest of the season.

“We’ll share in that,” Fulmer said. “Randy’s a very vital cog in coaching the quarterbacks and the plan, and has been.”

Of course Sanders has been a vital cog in the offense. As long as his title was offensive coordinator, that was his job.

Apparently, though, it’s Fulmer’s job, too.

Therein lies the problem. Fulmer was offensive coordinator until he took over as head coach at the end of the 1992 season. He’s an offensive-minded coach, so he believes he should to put his own signature on the offense.

Just the same as Steve Spurrier runs South Carolina’s offense all by himself, it’s Fulmer’s right to have whatever input he wants on play-calling, scheming and coaching changes.

There is, however, one big difference.

As you might have noticed Saturday night — or over much of the last decade — Fulmer is no Spurrier. For that matter, Tennessee’s offense isn’t South Carolina’s.

Do you really think Sanders wanted to run all those draw plays on third-and-long? Or the 17,000 variations of screen passes to wide receivers used over the last seven years?

There’s no former quarterback in America (yes, Sanders was a backup here at UT) that wouldn’t love to go five-wide and sling it downfield all day long, just like there’s no former offensive lineman that wouldn’t love to pound an opponent into submission with run play after grinding run play.

That’s why we’ll never know if Sanders might have been a decent offensive coordinator.

And it’s why Tennessee’s offense won’t be the same until Fulmer steps out of his coordinator’s way."


— Ryan Callahan is the sports editor of The Daily Beacon. He can be reached at callahan@utk.edu.

 

[VOLracerx]

Originally posted by bleedingorange@Nov 1, 2005 12:23 PM
u know what u can do

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Don't take the bait bleeding - he just wants to pick a fight.

 

[bleedingorange]

could he be a troll

 

[VOLracerx]

Originally posted by bleedingorange@Nov 1, 2005 12:36 PM
could he be a troll

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Definately sounds like one but with that many posts - he would be a well disguised (sp) one. I think he is a Vol fan just angry that so many people are now speaking up in defense of Sanders and against CPF.

this argument = :banghead:

 

[JennVols]

I would like to know who you Fulmer haters think would do a better job than him? I don't know anyone that would give as much effort to the VOLS as Fulmer has.

The Vols were overrated to begin with. Now that things aren't going the way that was expected, people want the coaches fired. The problem isn't mainly with the coaches, it's the stuff that happened away from the field, the QB situation, the numerous incomplete passes, the drop balls, the fumbles, etc. etc. etc......it's a mixture of all of those things.

I don't care who you put as head coach for the VOLS right now, if the players keep throwing incomplete passes, drop balls, make fumbles, etc., they aren't going to be a top 25 team.

This is exactly what the spoiled VOL fans needed, a bad season to knock them off of their high horse. You expect way too much from them every single year.

 

[bleedingorange]

Well if u think about it all of vol nation is split in half right now. We could all see it coming it is never good for a team to have problems like this. I just hope that at seasons end some more coaches get the ax.

 

[volunteer04]

Originally posted by bleedingorange@Nov 1, 2005 12:36 PM
could he be a troll

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Probably just another brainwashed Fulmer lover. That will change soon.

 

[WA_Vol]

QB rotation isnt the problem IMO. We rotated QB's the entire year last year and they actually played better. Stopping the QB rotation isnt going to make QB's stop overthrowing receivers and make receivers stop dropping passes.

There are a myriad of coaching problem on this team. Over half the starters on offense and defense will be graduating this year yet many of them continue to make freshman mistakes; fumbles, penalties, missed blocks, etc.

We are not going to be very good the next couple of years, losing all these players. These coaching changes are good but the new coaches are not going to be miracle workers. We most likely do not have enough returning players to compete for a championship next year.

Most of our players have been coached by Fulmer and co. for 4 years. Yet they still have trouble catching passes. Obviously we need position coaches who now how to teach techniques to WR's. Steve Largent used to say he focused on the point on the end of the football as it came to him, by focusing on this it made the football seem bigger and easier to judge and took his mind off the defenders around him. I dont know what our wr's focus on, but its not that.

Ainge's throwing mechanics have changed since last year. Its no different then a pitcher who cant find the strike zone. A good pitching coach and a qb coach could improve his accuracy by improving the players mechanics. I'm not sure if his release point has changed or if his throwing motion is different but it needs correcting.

 

[VOLracerx]

never said Fulmer shoud go - I just think he should let the OC do the job they are paid to do. Bobby bowden never won a title until he let go of the OC resposibilities and let Richt get them there - all I am saying is get the best staff possible - CPF is a great recruiter and for that I think he should stay but it is oobvious that his "system" isn't working all that welll anymore - for 13 years UT footbal has been about superior athletes and now that UGA,BAMA, UF and many others have caught up with us it is clear that something else has to change - maybe not the HC but the Offensive staff has to do something to get us there and until Fulmer gives them enough rope to hang themselves with we will never know what they are capable of.

 

[BigPapaVol]

Originally posted by VOLracerx@Nov 1, 2005 12:52 PM
Definately sounds like one but with that many posts - he would be a well disguised (sp) one. I think he is a Vol fan just angry that so many people are now speaking up in defense of Sanders and against CPF.

this argument =  :banghead:

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How about the guy that he cannot beat - Spurrier