Santorum

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GAVol said:
Still, those are states Romney should be leading by double digits.
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Two speculated reasons:

1) Santorum has special carve outs for manufacturing

2) Some of the vote that went for Obama is blue collar and they are switching over due to #1.

Just guessing but agree it's odd; particularly Michigan where Romney should be a lock.
 
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It's only a matter of time before Santorum gets flogged repeatedly with his whack-a-doo birth control comments.
 
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volinbham said:
It's a loser no doubt.

I'm a bit skeptical on the poll given the wording - asking people do they think insurance companies should give them something for free - surprised it's not a higher % of yes.
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Yeah, I know what you're saying. It is quite biased, but was also done by NYT so....
 
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The real problem with public perception is that we have bastardized insurance to the point that it is no longer "insurance". We have discussed it ad nauseam...but this does nothing but raise premiums.

I think the both parties want insurance companies and employers to shoulder the load so that people have more to spend on durable goods and luxury items. We should really stop calling it health insurance and begin calling it comprehensive health coverage.
 
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VOLatile said:
If the government is going to subsidize anything it should be birth control... and bicycles.
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You can get free birth control at any public health clinic in the US. This is not about giving people access to birth control. It is about controlling the political dialogue and imposing a progressive healthcare agenda.
 
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Lexvol said:
The real problem with public perception is that we have bastardized insurance to the point that it is no longer "insurance". We have discussed it ad nauseam...but this does nothing but raise premiums.

I think the both parties want insurance companies and employers to shoulder the load so that people have more to spend on durable goods and luxury items. We should really stop calling it health insurance and begin calling it comprehensive health coverage.
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Something I just learned:

The whole health insurance industry was created as an artificial side effect of government activity. We first saw health insurance as a "work benefit" during the Great Depression. The government capped wages, so the only way to attract better job candidates was to offer approved, non-monetary compensation. Thus the birth of employer-provided health insurance. 20 years later, we force HMOs on the market place. 30 years after that government is covering $.50 of every HC dollar spent. 10 years later we call it market failure. How f-ing stupid are we?
 
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nbakerld said:
Something I just learned:

The whole health insurance industry was created as an artificial side effect of government activity. We first saw health insurance as a "work benefit" during the Great Depression. The government capped wages, so the only way to attract better job candidates was to offer approved, non-monetary compensation. Thus the birth of employer-provided health insurance. How f-ing stupid are we?
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Correct. Where do you think HMO's came from?
 
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Lexvol said:
The real problem with public perception is that we have bastardized insurance to the point that it is no longer "insurance". We have discussed it ad nauseam...but this does nothing but raise premiums.

I think the both parties want insurance companies and employers to shoulder the load so that people have more to spend on durable goods and luxury items. We should really stop calling it health insurance and begin calling it comprehensive health coverage.
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Yes, would be far easier and more efficient if we just started Medicare basically at birth and used insurance premium dollars to fund it in lieu of insurance.

Would be less expensive, remove huge amounts of bureaucracy, and eliminate entirely the issue of the passing on to the paying consumer the cost of goods and services to the uninsured or underinsured.
 
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Lexvol said:
The real problem with public perception is that we have bastardized insurance to the point that it is no longer "insurance". We have discussed it ad nauseam...but this does nothing but raise premiums.

I think the both parties want insurance companies and employers to shoulder the load so that people have more to spend on durable goods and luxury items. We should really stop calling it health insurance and begin calling it comprehensive health coverage.
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Yep. That's where I am on this contraceptive thing and why I support the Catholic church.

One of the arguments we see for the mandated coverage is that it saves insurance companies money in the long run - it's an appeal to efficiency.

Assuming that is true there should be no need to mandate that free BC be part of health INSURANCE. If it really does lower coverage costs for insurers they will throw it in.

Because of the mandates and limited competition - I cannot buy insurance that just covers what I need (last I checked my insurance doesn't give away condoms).

Add to that all the free provision of BC out there - hell, we were told that's what Planned Parenthood really does; breast exams and BC and maybe an abortion here and there.

I just don't see the need for the mandate on BC coverage.

It is a political move.
 
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Romney's problem in MI and OH could be the fact that he was 100% against the auto bailouts. He may have been correct in saying the auto companies needed to bankrupt.
Right or wrong, The majority of Michigans and a large number in Ohio depend on the auto industry for their livelihood. If they believe the bailouts worked and bankrupting would have been bad for the industry, they will not vote for Romney period.
IMO, Romney is going to have a tough time connecting to the blue collar workers in every state.
 
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Lexvol said:
You can get free birth control at any public health clinic in the US. This is not about giving people access to birth control. It is about controlling the political dialogue and imposing a progressive healthcare agenda.
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A-friggin-men. People are finding out the hard way that the devil is in these rules that get written after a bill is passed. The idea that a President can wave his hand like the Wizard of Oz and say "ok....insurance companies, you will now pay 100% for certain drugs" is completely preposterous.
 
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