Saudi Arabia

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lawgator1 said:
The blaming of the Saudi 28 pages on Obama is freaking hilarious revisionist history. Get a grip, Obama bashing shriekers, keeping this secret spans both administrations and goes way beyond even them.
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don't you think he should read them?
 
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lawgator1 said:
The blaming of the Saudi 28 pages on Obama is freaking hilarious revisionist history. Get a grip, Obama bashing shriekers, keeping this secret spans both administrations and goes way beyond even them.
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I already touched on that. I think Obama is a piece of crap, but I don't think the decision is his.
 
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Get your nose out of the Obama's arse........no one is "blaming" him FOR the 28 pages......the fact that he has not bothered to read them does speak volumes about this level of "give a shat" about the subject!
 
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volinbham said:
don't you think he should read them?
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DON'T YOU GET IT???

It doesn't matter whether he does, or does not. The moneyed interests at stake made sure about 10 + years ago that nothing would ever be done about it. That started with Bush and continued under Obama.

Its kind of funny watching all the politicians scramble about what to do about it. Sure, the New York politicians are going to support release. HRC did, but only after she realized, oh crap, I'm running in New York.

Everyone else is paralyzed because they know what the consequences could be for themselves, politically, if it was disclosed that we knew long ago that Saudis had financed some part of 9/11. And if it came out that it was knowingly?

As a regular Joe, I want to know. And if some members of the family financed it and did so knowing it was a plot against us, then I say we find those f'ers and bring them to justice. But that's me, as regular Joe. If you are running the country, how on Earth can you ever make a good decision on this?

So don't try to just make this some anti-Obama bullsh!t, like you always do. The see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil on this started long before him. Be real. Its more like guys like Cheney and Halliburton and their ilk that you need to be complaining about.
 
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Not only am I not blaming Obama for the 28 pages I'm not criticizing a decision to release or not release. It's a complicated matter with good arguments on both sides. My preference would be release I but I understand there are real implications both with the Saudi's and for future dealings with countries.

That said, I cannot justify the POTUS not reading the 28 pages since it is his decision to make AND he's about to visit the Kingdom.

Makes no sense to me unless it's CYA and I don't have respect for that.
 
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lawgator1 said:
DON'T YOU GET IT???

It doesn't matter whether he does, or does not. The moneyed interests at stake made sure about 10 + years ago that nothing would ever be done about it. That started with Bush and continued under Obama.

Its kind of funny watching all the politicians scramble about what to do about it. Sure, the New York politicians are going to support release. HRC did, but only after she realized, oh crap, I'm running in New York.

Everyone else is paralyzed because they know what the consequences could be for themselves, politically, if it was disclosed that we knew long ago that Saudis had financed some part of 9/11. And if it came out that it was knowingly?

As a regular Joe, I want to know. And if some members of the family financed it and did so knowing it was a plot against us, then I say we find those f'ers and bring them to justice. But that's me, as regular Joe. If you are running the country, how on Earth can you ever make a good decision on this?

So don't try to just make this some anti-Obama bullsh!t, like you always do. The see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil on this started long before him. Be real. Its more like guys like Cheney and Halliburton and their ilk that you need to be complaining about.
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Wow, calm down sport.

Can you give one good reason why he shouldn't at least read the 28 pages to know what's in there? Is that such a burden and so irrelevant that you'll defend it no matter what just to take a shot a Cheney?
 
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volinbham said:
guessing it's plausible deniability?

Either way there's no excuse.
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As I understand it, Obama is fond of neither Israel (shocking, I know) nor Saudi Arabia, two allies traditionally given the classic brown-nose treatment by American presidents of the past. I think he largely sees Saudi Arabia for what it is, as well as despises its human rights record. Perhaps he chooses not to read the documents, because he thinks he may not need any more ammunition to adversely affect his decision-making when it comes to the Saudis.

That's the "benefit-of-the-doubt" reading, at least.

Otherwise, as you say, it makes no sense. He should still read it regardless.
 
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volinbham said:
Wow, calm down sport.

Can you give one good reason why he shouldn't at least read the 28 pages to know what's in there? Is that such a burden and so irrelevant that you'll defend it no matter what just to take a shot a Cheney?
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I think LG has his panties in a wad.
 
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volinbham said:
Not only am I not blaming Obama for the 28 pages I'm not criticizing a decision to release or not release. It's a complicated matter with good arguments on both sides. My preference would be release I but I understand there are real implications both with the Saudi's and for future dealings with countries.

That said, I cannot justify the POTUS not reading the 28 pages since it is his decision to make AND he's about to visit the Kingdom.

Makes no sense to me unless it's CYA and I don't have respect for that.
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Why? What's the reasoning. NOTHING WOULD HAPPEN.

You think he's had no briefings on Saudi links? He has to read those pages to know the situation ? Please. Take the Obama bashing to 2011, when it mattered. You can't get rid of him now.
 
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volinbham said:
Wow, calm down sport.

Can you give one good reason why he shouldn't at least read the 28 pages to know what's in there? Is that such a burden and so irrelevant that you'll defend it no matter what just to take a shot a Cheney?
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Because he already knows. He knows more than that, by now.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Why? What's the reasoning. NOTHING WOULD HAPPEN.

You think he's had no briefings on Saudi links? He has to read those pages to know the situation ? Please. Take the Obama bashing to 2011, when it mattered. You can't get rid of him now.
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"at this point.......what difference would it make".......seems to be a Dem theme......
 
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hog88 said:
And you know this how? It's been established that he rarely attends his security briefings.
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Obama is more concerned about his golf game then he is security briefings. Obama has played 270 games of golf this year. Its only been 110 days so far. Hell his SECDEF is more Presidential then Obama is.
 
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carlos86 said:
Obama is more concerned about his golf game then he is security briefings. Obama has played 270 games of golf this year. Its only been 110 days so far. Hell his SECDEF is more Presidential then Obama is.
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and have you seen his swing? He is not getting better at either golf or his JOB.......
 
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carlos86 said:
Obama is more concerned about his golf game then he is security briefings. Obama has played 270 games of golf this year. Its only been 110 days so far. Hell his SECDEF is more Presidential then Obama is.
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Obama cannot average 2.4 games of golf per day! That stat has got to be fudged.
 
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to me the only reason he wouldn't read it is if the decision has already been made. and with him admitting to not knowing what was on the 28 pages it reads to me like he isn't the one making the decision.

and if the decision has been made, by someone else, and he hasn't read it leads me to infer that it will not be released. That way he is not "losing" anything. doesn't matter that he doesn't know because no one else will and no one can call him on it. Now if it was getting out it would look incredibly dumb for him to not know what was on it.

either way he should read it so that he can actually speak on it later. either to condemn or agree with whatever the action is (release or not).

and its 28 pages, its not like we are asking him to review our budget by line item.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Man, LG sure gets cranky when things like this come up.
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That's because I'm sick of the false Obama/Muslim equivalency. It's just a gimmick that is sooooo tired by now.

At first the shrieker talking point on this was that Obama was blocking release. The suggestion was that it was because he does not want to hurt Muslim interests. Then, when the shriekers realized, oh crap, that came out under Bush and he blocked it, first, now they have to find some other way to absurdly imply that Obama is blocking their release to help Muslims, even terrorists.

So now its that Obama, about to go visit SA, hasn't read those pages. Why, that must be because he's a Muslim in bed with the ME terrorists, right? At least that he sympathizes with them and is trying to help them save face, right?

As I say, I'd like to know what's in there. If there were people we can identify financing 9/11, then I say we go after them, no matter who they are, or who they are related to.

But the current political nutjob attacks on Obama as a Muslim sympathizer are far past pathetic. This goes back to the birther movement, of course, and the frequent irrational attacks of the far right trying to make us think there's a secret agent Muslim in the WH. For God's sake, just stop with the nonsense, ok?

I mean, you want to know what the GOP is about to nominate a guy who the majority of their own party can't stand? Its because the GOP has wasted the last 8 years doing absolutely nothing. About anything. GOP voters sit at home and get told every couple of years that the party stands for fiscal restraint, we need to control spending, we need to work on smarter, simpler, business regulation. So they vote for them.

Then what do they get? Transparently partisan committee meetings, like a dozen of them, to try to blame Obama or Clinton for every bad thing under the sun. 60 votes to repeal the ACA. Resolutions about this nonsense or that.

You want to know why the GOP is about to get its collective clock cleaned? Its because they promise to deliver on basic conservative ideals, followed by years of wasting everyone's fu$$ing time with crap like this, that's why.
 
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Grand Vol said:
If I had the technical ability, I'd photoshop him a Snickers commercial.
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