SBC on the precipice: reckoning coming on covered up sexual abuse

[luthervol]

So do some people actively carrying on an affair - or for that matter, singles who sleep around. It is one thing to know the standard and recognize you fail to meet it from time to time, it is another to try to redefine the standard and declare it righteous and good because you enjoy your sin.

Which is exactly what many have tried to do with greed, material accumulation, and wealth.

 

[Wireless1]

SBC clarifies ‘friendly cooperation,’ updates criteria for church affiliation – Baptist News Global

"The SBC Executive Committee announced its intent to consider at its June 9 meeting prior to the SBC annual meeting limiting membership to churches that have “not intentionally operated in any manner demonstrating opposition to the doctrine expressed in the convention’s most recently adopted statement of faith.”

I'm not SBC, but those doctrines of faith are pretty generic, the resolution was adopted because some very left field and right field groups were identifying as SBC (in some cases purely to make the SBC look bad) and prior there was no way to prevent them for saying they were SBC.

 

[OrangeTsar]

Greed is much more of a societal destroyer than is sexual desires and tendencies.
Talk about how our nation and it's religions have tried to normalize greed.

I try not to get into trying to rank sins based on their destructiveness. We are not forced to choose one over the other thankfully. We should fight them all as they all interfere with our fellowship with God
That said, one point in your favor is that Dante placed heterosexual sins of the flesh in the outer circles of hell. sodomites were placed in further (sorry I can’t remember the numbers) as was greed.
But please realize that in long standing Catholic theology, Avarice and lust are both counted within the seven deadly sins for a reason.
And lastly I would argue that based on nothing more that the sheer number of broken marriages and homes and kids growing up In divorced families, sexual desires are in fact a singularity destructive problem. Probably even exceeding alcohol and drugs as a destroyer of families

 

[Vol737]

I love making stump speeches.

Wait, wrong kind of stump. I'll slither back to the IHOP from whence I came.

You’re so bush league! Everyone knows Waffle House is the gold standard. C’mon…

 

[Wireless1]

A vegan, an atheist, and a CrossFit athlete walk into a bar. Every knows all about them within minutes.

Such and under stated Post, deserves 1000 likes..... I have fellow employees that are vegans and crossfit, the rest of us just keep our mouths shut and pretend we're answering emails.

 

[Gandalf]

Which is exactly what many have tried to do with greed, material accumulation, and wealth.

This is also true. God is no respecter of persons -

21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ 23 And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’

In some ways, to me, this is one of the most terrifying verses in scripture.

 

[Wireless1]

I honestly can never recall a single politician giving a speech from the pulpit of any church I have attended

Haven't been to many black churches around election time have you.

 

[OrangeTsar]

Haven't been to many black churches around election time have you.

Nope. But that has always bothered me when liberals complain when a pastor in an SBC church preaches against abortion but a Democrat politician can basically hold a fundraising rally from the pulpit of a black church and all we hear are crickets

 

[McDad]

Not “you”, but everyone.

I’m no better than the homosexual sitting next to me in church. But I cognizant of my sins and don’t seek to have them condoned. The opposite approach we have taken as a society, the glorification of it.

Since we are going down this path, I am very surprised the number of people cohabitating and faithful attendees at traditional-doctrine churches. Some are even part of the music ministry, etc. If those people can worship with a clear conscience, why shouldn't someone in a homosexual marriage?

 

[McDad]

And that is exactly what they (tho hopefully not you) will say the next time the "norms" are changed. "Pedophilia is simply a change from a previous norm and now we better recognize the beauty of human love in all its forms. Bestiality though, I mean an animal simply doesn't have the ability to give consent like a human does so that is harm to an animal."

I pray you are still alive to weep when you see my words come to pass. My greater wish, however, is to be wrong here but that so rarely happens anymore.

Again, I believe pedophilia isn't on the slippery slope because there is a clear harm done. It isn't about two consenting adults. I may be wrong but our society seems to be protective of children.

 

[OrangeTsar]

Since we are going down this path, I am very surprised the number of people cohabitating and faithful attendees at traditional-doctrine churches. Some are even part of the music ministry, etc. If those people can worship with a clear conscience, why shouldn't someone in a homosexual marriage?

Remember, it’s only sin when “someone else” does it

 

[NEO]

SBC has major issues and has for years.

Many of the larger churches, including mine, have distanced themselves in recent years and may honestly split.

I think my church may split. We are about 10k and growing worldwide and I think internal leadership at our church should be the only guiding personal force.

Side note— I’m a grade A douchebag saved by grace. Don’t use me as an example of morale Christianity. Use me as an example that Christ died for all.

 

[McDad]

Remember, it’s only sin when “someone else” does it

Hold on. I need to get this gigantic log removed from my eye so I can address the small splinter in yours.

 

[McDad]

Side note— I’m a grade A douchebag saved by grace. Don’t use me as an example of morale Christianity. Use me as an example that Christ died for all.

We FINALLY agree on something.

 

[allvol123]

Since we are going down this path, I am very surprised the number of people cohabitating and faithful attendees at traditional-doctrine churches. Some are even part of the music ministry, etc. If those people can worship with a clear conscience, why shouldn't someone in a homosexual marriage?

Idk. What is marriage? State condoned marriage? I don’t think that really signifies anything.

But I get your point and don’t feel either of those scenarios should be fooled about what they are doing. But as a society we are telling everyone that any and everything is ok.

 

[McDad]

Idk. What is marriage? State condoned marriage? I don’t think that really signifies anything.

But I get your point and don’t feel either of those scenarios should be fooled about what they are doing. But as a society we are telling everyone that any and everything is ok.

From a freedom standpoint, what they are doing is ok. Here's where I have to draw a line, my faith puts restrictions on me. My faith doesn't put restrictions on someone else.

 

[OrangeTsar]

Again, I believe pedophilia isn't on the slippery slope because there is a clear harm done. It isn't about two consenting adults. I may be wrong but our society seems to be protective of children.

The “slippery slope” was and remains the mindest that no one has the right to judge the sexual choices of an individual. It is a warped misinterpretation of God’s acceptance of all repentant people with a belief that God accepts all behaviors. It results in the apostasy that all desires are pure because they are “natural”

 

[McDad]

The “slippery slope” was and remains the mindest that no one has the right to judge the sexual choices of an individual. It is a warped misinterpretation of God’s acceptance of all repentant people with a belief that God accepts all behaviors. It results in the apostasy that all desires are pure because they are “natural”
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You understand I am only referencing the legal aspect of pedophilia and harm done outside a spiritual context?

 

[OrangeTsar]

You understand I am only referencing the legal aspect of pedophilia and harm done outside a spiritual context?

Oh yes I understand. My only clarification is that the legal aspect directly follows the spiritual aspect as surely as night follows day. Once you allow deconstruction of the moral reasoning for prohibition of something, you have already surrendered in the legal arena (in my opinion anyway for whatever that I worth)

 

[allvol123]

From a freedom standpoint, what they are doing is ok. Here's where I have to draw a line, my faith puts restrictions on me. My faith doesn't put restrictions on someone else.

No argument here.

We are free as a society to make tons of wrong choices and we seem to be doing a damn fine job at it.

 

[Gandalf]

Since we are going down this path, I am very surprised the number of people cohabitating and faithful attendees at traditional-doctrine churches. Some are even part of the music ministry, etc. If those people can worship with a clear conscience, why shouldn't someone in a homosexual marriage?

1Now the Spirit [a]expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons, 2speaking lies in hypocrisy, having their own conscience seared with a hot iron.

You are exactly right - sexual impurity is rife in the church. But the call is not to preach acceptance but rather to preach purity, coupled with grace - for there is absolutely none of us without sin. None of us are able to continually resist temptation without God's power working in us.

I would say that there is too little loving of sinners and hating of sin today in the church. Too much of what we have is exactly the opposite.

 

[hog88]

I'm threatening the rich tradition of both parties doing that. If you want to be a political organization, then give up your tax exempt status.

I'd rather do away with tax exempt status all together.

 

[Wireless1]

I'd rather do away with tax exempt status all together.

Let's do away with taxes period and cure many more ails.

 

[hog88]

SBC has major issues and has for years.

Many of the larger churches, including mine, have distanced themselves in recent years and may honestly split.

I think my church may split. We are about 10k and growing worldwide and I think internal leadership at our church should be the only guiding personal force.

Side note— I’m a grade A douchebag saved by grace. Don’t use me as an example of morale Christianity. Use me as an example that Christ died for all.

LHB?

 

[Rickyvol77]

Which is exactly what many have tried to do with greed, material accumulation, and wealth.

Yes like the BLM groups you have participated in. But luckily most normal Americans aren’t like that